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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Håkon Winther[edit]

Håkon Winther (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This user has created a page about himself without demonstrating with reliable sources why s/he may or may not be notable ClubOranjeTalk 11:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete No evidence this person was a professional at any point in time. Linking to his own paysite for references is a little on the egregious side to boot. Qwghlm (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as above. --Jimbo[online] 12:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep- If the information in the infobox is accurate he did manage a handful of senior appearances for a professional team in Ireland. Reyk YO! 12:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment If a memeber of playerhistory.com can confirm that he's played in a fully-professional league using this link then I will change my vote. --Jimbo[online] 13:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Considering the subject in question created both the article in question and the Playerhistory.com site quoted I would seriously question whether that link qualifies as reliable source in this situation due to conflict of interest, regardless of any standing the site may (or may not) have in other respects. I would expect to see a completely independent reliable source for this that a) the individual played, and b) it was a fully professional team in a fully professional league. --ClubOranjeTalk 13:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment The article claims Håkon Winther used to be known as Håkon Johansen until apparently changing his name (with no citation to back it up). As a result there is no current evidence that proves Håkon Winther the website editor is the same person as Håkon Johansen the footballer (who does exist [1] [2]) - apart from his own website. So I would take the claim he used to be a player, professional or not, with a degree of scepticism until an independent reliable confirmation of that claim can be cited. Qwghlm (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment After, quite ironically, looking through his profile at playerhistory.com I can't see any evidence of him having played in a fully professional league. The highest he seems to have played at is "2. Division Group 8" of Norway, which I assume is the second division...? Mattythewhite (talk) 14:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment second Google link for "Håkon Winther" goes to "Uncle Håkon's Candy And Submachine Gun Shop" in Norway. Same person? What an interesting combination - totally irrelevant though. Nfitz (talk) 17:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Mattythewhite. By the way, the Norwegian Second Division is the third tier and is far from professional. Punkmorten (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Anyone know if the "Division 3 - Västra Svealand" of Sweden or the "2. Deild" of Finland are professional leagues? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in the absence of reliable sources that demonstrate his notability or that he meets WP:Athlete. Happy to change my mind if such reliable sources are produced. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per all above. Or at least move it to the guy's user page. At least then he can keep his vanity to himself. – PeeJay 12:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is it you want me to confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I played profesionally in Ireland, Faroe Ireland, Sweden and 3 seasons in Norway. That mean the club payed my salary.

PS! I have nothing to do with this candy shop :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 13:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC) And yes i was born Johansen, but changed my surename to Winther —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 13:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


By the way, is this for me critiziseing Wikipedia last night? Well to know that a person like Matthewithe editing football on wikipedia says most of it? He don't even know the difference of Faroe and Finland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 13:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm flattered. Fine then, does anyone know if "2. Deild" of the Faroe Islands is a profesional league. I assume not... Mattythewhite (talk) 14:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted both my profile and Playerhistory, please also remove my link from available sources.

Just to help you out a little:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Clitnovici
He never played for: Barnsley 03/04
He never played for: Craiova 02/03
He never played for: Elche 07/08
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 14:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The league itself is not profesionell but they have professionell players.

  • Delete - it appears that author/subject of the article has never played in a fully professional league (until sources are provided to demonstrate otherwise) and I doubt that his founding of the playerhistory.com website is sufficient to pass WP:N. Perhaps there are reliable sources that demonstrate notability related to the website activities, but none are provided. Jogurney (talk) 04:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe that Wikipedia (the copysite) are question playerhistory.com as NOT reliable. Please look in your own nest before critise others. I can promise you one thing. If i really want i can find at least 20000 WRONG adding on football players in wikipedia. We have started a group to notify media around the world about wikipedia and their copycat attitude. So good luck. My vote is delete —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 08:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "copysite" exactly? Mattythewhite (talk) 12:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think they are personally questioning your sites reliability in general, just as a matter of conflict of interest of sourcing information from one's own website. Information from anyone's personal website would have a chance of bias, and I don't think anyone has meant it as commentary on your project as a whole. matt91486 (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What i mean by that is as follow: Contributors of wikipedia are copying other sites WITHOUT checking if the sources are reliable or not. They also make straight copies and paste it to wikipedia. I have proof and will be happy to provide it to you.

By the way could you check out who added the player of Daniel_Clitnovici? His adding is totally wrong, He has never played in Barnsley 03/04, Craiova 02/03 or Elche 07/08 Is that profile a AfD? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polarman (talk • contribs) 16:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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