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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. All comments from accounts which weren't single purpose accounts were in favor of deletion. Those of you who commented SAVE, please see WP:SOCK, WP:N, and WP:ATA Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guitar Zero 2[edit]

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Unreleased and unfinished game clone. Aparrently now defunct due to the threat of a lawsuit; ironically this may assert some notability. Bringing here for discussion. Ros0709 (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Delete A quick look at the official website helps this. "The Official Guitar Zero 2 Site is under construction." I agree that a lawsuit might make it notable someday, but that day isn't today. PHARMBOY (TALK) 19:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Save all game pages were forced to be taken down untill further notice, yet there is nothing wrong with this article the links may be down for now but if the games saved they will come back. webduelist —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]
    — webduelist (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete. The lack of independent sources means that any notability of the game cannot be verified. —C.Fred (talk) 01:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • SAVE The project is not dead, and nor is the community being sued. Activision has wrongly accused us of patent infringement for their electronic drumset, which we do not reproduce. Until further notice (hopefully soon) all downloads are suspended and the game is recieveing no further updates. But rest assured, the project is NOT DEAD.PX_orange90_x (TALK) 2:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Good. That means there's a chance that, in the future, the game will become notable enough to warrant an article. Right now, what demonstrates that it is? Being sued by Activision does not notability make. —C.Fred (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • SAVE -- The clone was released, and was in a state that was considered finished. Adding functionality to the game in future versions does not mean the previous versions were unfinished any more than adding DLC to a console game means the retail version you bought was unfinished.

    Anyways, I vote to save the article for multiple reasons: 1) The lawsuit created a need for the author(s) to protect their own rights, thus they disabled content on a few of the sources, 2) the article was still being constructed with reliable sources, and 3) "brothers" and "cousins" of this game, such as Frets on Fire and StepMania have come through Wikipedia unscathed though their references are not any more notable.

    At this point in time the article should be kept for the purposes of allowing more reputable references to be added, and to see what becomes of it's fate. --Teancum (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Mind you of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We are talking about this article and not about others. If they have the same problems, then they will also be dealt with in due time. MuZemike (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to Weak delete as there is a source from Kotaku here. However, that is very little, and may not be verifiable as it does come from a self-published source. Nonetheless, there needs to be significant coverage from sources independent of the topic to establish notability. If there is something out there regarding the lawsuit, then that would be great. Otherwise, I still support deletion, but will not exercise prejudice over recreation because such sources may become available in the future. MuZemike (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • SAVE -- Contact has been made between the game staff and Activision. Changes are currently being made to address the issues, and the game will be up, albeit under a new name, once the changes are made. This project is by no means dead. Bm2092004 (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete The single purpose voters don't see, to understand that the fact that the company exists is not a reason to keep. this game does not exist, and having an article on it is crystal balling. Even if it does get made, there is nothing to show that it will be notable. The fact that the company sends people here to vote shows that this article exists purely for advertising purposes.Yobmod (talk) 10:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please note, that the game does exist, as per the article. The files were temporarily taken down during discussions with Activision, but that is not grounds for it not existing. -- Teancum (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • SAVE I am the original writer of the article. First off, there are several sources other than the forums, including a YouTube account, and a Blogspot from the author, as well as the two sources from Kotaku. Sources are not a problem, however there is a greater ratio of sources from the forum then of other places. I can find other sources if need be, though. Secondly, for the person(s) who say that this is a "crystal ball" of updates; it is quite a bit more. Yes updates are discussed here; but the main reason I put this article up, was because of an interest from not only members of the game's forum, but also other people, of the game's history. This is what the article is (mainly) about; the game's history. That also rules out the theory that the page was put up merely for advertising. (Although I will not deny that it did most likely boost the number of visitors to the forums where the game was up for download.) Thirdly, the "company," as it is being called by many, has made contact with the lawyers which work for Activision and originally gave the C&D. Currently both the staff and the lawyers are trying to work to come to a decision on what should happen to the game (and the outlook is very good). So to take down the article now would be a waste of time later, when it seems very likely that the game will survive. Fourthly, the game DOES exist, and those who say it doesn't, obviously did not study enough into the matter to have a very valuable opinion. The download links have been taken down for the time being in order to peacefully resolve the C&D matter. Fifthly, to keep this article up does not mean we are "crystal balling" about it's future. In fact, we indeed are not. I know I have probably thrown in a "what if" situation in this explaination somewhere, but everything in the article has already taken place, so we are not predicting anything about the game's outcome in it's current situation. Sixthly, I am aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but do you really think it does not play a role here? It is simply a comparison to other things of the same basic nature. In this case, FOF and Unsigned, which are more or less the same as this game, just spiced up with awards. Also be aware that their sources are not any more notable, going to wiki's, forums, and websites, just as ours do. Lastly, I realize that this is an article on the first Guitar Zero, but I thought I should bring it to your attention. http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Zero Why has this not received a warning? I would really like to know.

    If you guys come to the consensus that the article should be removed, I personally don't mind. Remove it. But if you do, I will most likely make an article again in the distant future, when the game has "reached Wikipedia's level of notability." I will check with respected Wikipedia members before posting to check notability, and I would expect to be able to initially justify myself and the new reasons for putting it up, instead of immediately being met by this again (which if you guys didn't know; I was. Someone put a deletion sticker on it [forgive me I don't know what that notice at the top is called] not even three hours after the article went up when I made it... And this has happened every other time an article was made for the game previously, although I had nothing to do with those articles, so they very well may have deserved it, but it seems that someone has had it in for us)

    EDIT:: The website referred to by PHARMBOY is not our official website. It was a website created by me, then dropped for a new website created by forums member ConfusingBoat. The official website was taken down. This simply proves my point. You didn't look at the sources when the website was still up; I know this because there is a source that would have led you directly to the official website. It is down now until the C&D issue is resolved, though. So no point in checking now. --Lts100 (talk) 00:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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