Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grimoire Games

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The result was merge to Arduin. I see no valid 'keep' argument but equally the consensus is to retain key material in some form. There is one source that has been identified and this would support a minimal merge. Just Chilling (talk) 12:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grimoire Games[edit]

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Article on a profitmaking corporation has had no sources for the preceding 13 years. A standard BEFORE (newspapers.com, JSTOR, Google News, Google Books) finds four reviews of specific products on blogs and nothing else. Fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 04:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not totally surprising that a company that seems to have stopped trading in 1981 wouldn't have much about them online, and it may be that there are better offline sources, but I agree with the nominator that I can't find anything to hang notability on. That said, I'd argue in this case for a redirect to Arduin as a good WP:ATD and a potentially useful redirect, without prejudice to recreating the independent article in future if any decent sources can be found. Hugsyrup (talk) 10:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sold on the argument that long-defunct companies don't have online sources as notable defunct companies tend to continue to generate contemporary coverage if they were notable during the era when they were in business (e.g. Aeroamerica, defunct in 1982; Dutch East India Company, defunct in 1799). Plus, newspapers.com indexes 12,100 newspapers from a pre-online era and the subject appeared nowhere in any of them. That said, while Arduin may itself be a reasonable target for deletion, I don't in principal have an issue with turning this into a redirect there instead of deleting totally. Chetsford (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to Arduin as per User:Hugsyrup – I found a book source that discussed the company in detail, so that is a start, and I will see what else can be found. BOZ (talk) 19:11, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Arduin and redirect - this is a pretty clear case where the product and its authors are notable, but the company probably is not based on the sources to date. Newimpartial (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.