Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grandayy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Sheldybett (talk) 00:10, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grandayy[edit]

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Possible WP:SPIP at the local source Lovin Malta and only passing mentions in few other sources. wumbolo ^^^ 20:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I find examples of local sources praising their local boy, as well as press releases and trivial mentions. Fails to pass any WP:NCREATIVE criteria as far as I can tell. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:BASIC per these references: 1 2 3 4. Lovin Malta's articles all appear to have been labelled as Press Releases on Google but this appears to be a mistake, anyway the coverage in other Maltese media easily meets the criteria for notability. FOARP (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malta-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hi, I'm Grandayy, I was contacted about this article by an editor but was not involved in its writing, though I can help add more information if necessary. I see that it has been nominated for deletion. I'm new here so I don't know the exact rules and terminology, but what I can do is mention and link some more articles or events that I think are notable, apart from the ones already mentioned. I would love if the article is not deleted but obviously I'm biased, so I'll leave it up to more experienced editors to take the decision. Not sure which of the following facts can be considered notable or not but here's what I can think of:
- We The Unicorns, a YouTube news website, had done an interview with me. 1
- YouTube network Fine Bros Entertainment made a REACT video dedicated to me and my work. 2
- I worked on PewDiePie's "YouTube Rewind 2018 but it's actually good" video, the most liked non-music video in the history of YouTube. 3 This has been the subject of several news articles that also mention me. 4 5
- I am also mentioned on mainstream website articles about the time I publicized the banning of VoiceoverPete from the Fiverr website. 6 7 8
- I have the most subscribed to YouTube channel, the most followed Instagram page, and the most followed Twitter page in all of Malta. And I am the most famous Maltese person according to the Famous Birthdays website. 9
- There are several articles written about me on some of the biggest Maltese news websites, as previously mentioned and linked above. Grande1899 (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the We The Unicorns interview is that it contains only two sentences which weren't written by you. That's not enough to pass GNG, the guideline for notability, which requires significant third-party coverage. Thanks, wumbolo ^^^ 21:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this fails WP:GNG by quite a way. Social media sites and local reports are insufficient to establish notability. The comments above look like self promotion. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 21:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maltese media reports are "national" not "local" (which is why the distinction between the two that some people like to draw is baloney). Anyway, there is no requirement for non-"local" coverage in WP:BASIC. Moreover a number of newspaper articles have been cited above. FOARP (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just want to add a few other Maltese articles not already mentioned that may be relevant. 1 2 3 Also I want to confirm that no article posted in this page was self-promotion or paid promotion. All were written by independent authors and I was always reached out by them. Anyway I'll obviously leave it up to whoever is responsible to take the decision regarding deletion, but I wanted to add my arguments to the discussion. Thanks! Grande1899 (talk) 21:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per above and improve - It passes WP:Basic as per Bakazza's and Grandayy's points. AwesumIndustrys (talk) 18:13, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. The sources invoked offer little in support of notability, as required by Wikipedia. For instance, The Verge is indeed acceptable as a reliable source but the articles cited (here and here) are about a Fiverr actor with the subject mentioned in passing, exactly the case of this piece on Gizmodo as well. The truly significant citations appear to be this piece on Times of Malta and this one in The Malta Independent, a fact that does not help the case of keeping this. -The Gnome (talk) 10:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 2 million subscribers should pass the WP:Basic notability guideline. Openlydialectic (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Regardless of who wrote this, this is a promotional article (WP:SPIP) about a local celebrity. The article itself does not pass WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE for the following reasons.

None of the listed resources is a reliable source. A search for Lovin Malta shows that this magazine has just recently been started, so would not yet have had time to establish reliability. What's left is Twitter, Youtube, a Google search, and SCAN, which is the official newspaper of Lancaster University, written by students, not RS.
The sources added above by Grandayy are all non reliable sources.
Of the sourcess cited above (but not added to the article) the Times Malta and Independent are possible sources, but are basically interviews. The two Malta Today only mention Grandayy.
Since Grandayy's claim to fame seems to be that he has over 1,000,000 subscribers on Youtube (now 1,900,000), the question is, has he made a significant contribution to the "event" (Youtube). While he has the most subscribers of a Maltese Youtuber, the metric here is how he rates against other Youtube video personalities. According to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels, he does not, so he also fails WP:1E. Aurornisxui (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Just because a piece contains quotations from an interview does not make it "substantially an interview" in the sense that it is a primary source - the only part that is a primary source are the parts quoted from him. The Times of Malta piece contains a substantial amount of material that is not quoted from Grandayy, the same is true of the Malta Independent piece. Notably both continue for several paragraphs before first introducing what Grandayy said to them. The Malta Today piece also dedicates several paragraphs to Grandayy. This is all WP:SIGCOV as it "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content" - specifically it tells you who Grandayy is, how old he is, what his profession is, when he began making Youtube videos, what genre they belong to (comedy), how many followers he has, how many times his videos have been watched etc. PS - regarding Lovin Malta, I see they were set up in April 2016, so they have already been in existence roughly three years - clearly long enough to establish notability. FOARP (talk) 13:25, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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