Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gran Turismo 5

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gran Turismo 5

Classic WP:CRYSTAL. This game, while surely forthcoming, has not yet been announced. Ergo, the current stub is nothing but unreferenced speculation. (Note: This game should not be confused with Gran Turismo HD) ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 16:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete and Protect until an official annoucnement is made from Sony Rackabello 18:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)][reply]

Delete because the "information" section is very short, and probably unconfirmed, as with most other details about the game. Wait for an official announcement.

Keep, according to IGN, it has been confirmed by Polyphony. GT5 and some of it's features like Ferraris are also mentioned in www.granturismoworld.com which is an official site, I could not link directly to the news article due to the site being flash. It is also for sale in Amazon. -Lapinmies 17:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GranTurismoWorld.com is a promotional website established for Gran Turismo HD. It does indeed feature Ferraris, but makes no statements that concern Gran Turismo 5. Amazon would list anything for sale, marketing tactics used to generate pre-sale orders do not a valid source make. According to IGN, GT5 is in development, and it has been for a number of years - this is common knowledge, as is the uncertain nature of the development process. GTHD was also in development to become a full-fledged game, before it was canceled and all the gaming sites were forced to redact their speculation. The fact is there is no conclusive information on when and how the game will be published, or what cars it may or may not contain. This stub is completely unreferenced and is therefore comprised entirely of original research. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 02:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The statements about GT5 can be found by clicking GT News and then choosing the article Kazunori Yamauchi and then Learn More. I can't copypaste them or directly link. -Lapinmies 07:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Assuming you are talking about the GTHD website) Using the flash interface, I can't get to the news archive, a dialog stating "coming soong" comes up when I try that option. Are these informative, substantive statements? ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 10:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have to press Latest News and then choose the topic from the bottom of the current article. I admit that the comments aren't very clear, but they state that GT5 will have an online element and it will use the physics model of HD. -Lapinmies 11:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I tried it again, but clicking the latest news tab does nothing. (I have the latest version of Flash installed and tried accessing it on two browsers, so not sure what the problem is.) Nonetheless, that would constitute a solid source. Is there enough information to be gleaned to develop anything more than a two sentence stub? ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 15:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rewrite Rackabello 06:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball ... salt until after the game has been released. —68.239.79.97 (talk · contribs) 08:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel Bryant 01:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Like the nominator says, this is classic WP:CRYSTAL material. Salt until the game is actually released or at the very least formally announced. RFerreira 01:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now The article falls somewhere between being a crystal ball and a billboard. After removing all of the cruft about details, it basically says "A game by this name is going to be made." I would agree with a recreation of the article once more information becomes known. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 05:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- per WP:CRYSTAL Thunderwing 12:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Needs serious cleanup but the main reasons being cited are that it is not released yet. Neither is Pirates of the Carrabien 3 but we still have a page for it. Unreleased material can still be allowed on Wikipedia as long as it is made clear that it is unreleased and could be entirely incorrect. --St.daniel 13:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Changing to Delete Poor source used for article.--St.daniel 13:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete wikipedia is not a crystal ball. DBZROCKS 14:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Sr13 (T|C) 20:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the commenters above until better sources become available. Yamaguchi先生 01:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.