Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goodna Shopping Centre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 03:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goodna Shopping Centre[edit]

No sources to verify the content. Google gives less than 30 uniwue hits, including Wikipedia mirrors, none look like a good source. It has a short mention in the Goodna, Queensland article, and that's all we should have unless we have sources. (The "other businesses" section should be removed in any case per WP:NOT#DIR, but that's an editing issue, not a deletion issue.) Huon 14:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The shopping centre's actual name is St Ives Shopping Centre. Orderinchaos 01:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:RP Data has been put down originally as a reference which does provide this information with paid login. Have further added Ipswich City Council reference which provides another point of reference. This and the other businesses section provide detailed information for the area and a very important link back to the Goodna, Queensland article.

If further references are needed for article to those already provided, please advise and I will make the necessary additions. Goodstone 14:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also have added further reference for the shop list being the centre manager - Ray White Commercial who manage on behalf of Geewood P/L. Goodstone 14:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This appears to be a shopping center like any other. This fails WP:N as not having significant coverage and secondary sources. --Blind Eagle^{talk~contribs} 15:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletions. -- Gavin Collins 15:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable shopping center, important only to locals. Fails WP:RS, WP:V. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indication that it satisfies the Australian standards, whatever they may be, such as gross leasable area for a "regional shopping centre" which the article claims it is. (Those 1982 Australia-specific governmental or trade organization standards for Australia[1]have not yet been added to the Shopping center article, despite repeated requests to those saying they have access to them). It is in a town of under 8,000 and in the photo looks like an average strip mall. No independent and reliable references (other than one possibility behind a paywall) to show it satisfies WP:N. Edison 22:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:The RPData link is a paid service. However the Ipswich City Council PDOnline website http://pdonline.ipswich.qld.gov.au/pdonline/masterplan/enquirer/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=237735&container=on which was added as the second reference out of three is certainly an independent and reliable government source which displays the shopping centre owner. (Note need to enter the “2 Smiths Road; Goodna” address to verify this.)

The suburb it is in does have a population of 7,939 based on the 2006 census (Growth of over 20% over the 2001 census.) However it is also the major shopping centre that services neighbouring suburbs bellbird park, gailes, and wacol with a wider catchment of additional suburbs. The population in Bellbird Park (4,178), Gailes (1,652) and Wacol (2,584) combined is 8,414 and combined with Goodna brings total population to over 16,000 + extra catchment areas. With the size of Australia and the huge sparse area covered by the Australian population this is considered a reasonable size (Remember Australia’s population is 20 million compared to over 300 million for USA).

I would agree with this - Goodna is a major service suburb in outer western Brisbane, and is on a major transport route between two major regional centres (Brisbane itself and Ipswich). This is not clear from the Goodna article, at least partly because there's been some debate between Brisbane and the rest of the project as to whether suburbs outside the Brisbane City Council area are suburbs of Brisbane, and no-one outside is game enough to go in and fix them all :P Orderinchaos 01:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goodna Shopping Centre is not just a strip mall. Initially I only took two photos as I did not want to have too large a gallery initially. This could be added upon as desired.

With regards to the external reference link on (Those 1982 Australia-specific governmental or trade organization standards for Australia[1]have not yet been added to the Shopping center this is a Western Australian planning document and would not be applicable to Queensland where this is based.

Having said that I am very open to recommendations on how to improve this article further and a FA Class or similar Shopping Centre article (especially an Australian one if it exists) to assist in developing this article further.

Again I would certainly continue to argue the case against deletion and this article is within the scope of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Shopping_Centers which was added afterwards. Goodstone 09:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Initial Shopping Centre Mall infobox has now been added. Goodstone 10:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Goodhouse, malls are not of encyclopedic notability, unless there is something specially particular to them (being the first or the biggest in their country for instance).--Victor falk 15:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I disagree with this - this argument's been had *many* times before. Orderinchaos 01:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No claim to notabilty whatsoever.--Victor falk 15:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. —Longhair\^talk 23:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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