Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goodbye (Billie Eilish song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?. Content remains in the history if anyone wants to merge any of it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Goodbye (Billie Eilish song)[edit]

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Fails WP:NSONGS. All coverage in the article is from albums reviews and interviews about its parent album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?. The song article should therefore be redirected to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?. Cool Marc ✉ 20:19, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect: None of the sources discuss the song in depth, which means this likely fails WP:GNG. No prejudice against merging if there is some relevant info that can be merged. Username⁶⁸⁹² 21:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the tag for proposed deletion as the same user just tagged in on April 28, 2020, therefore it is not acceptable for AFD again. Per Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion#Nominating. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 21:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC) Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 22:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Galendalia, I did a PROD on April 28 and withdrew it myself because I believed the article should be redirected instead. This is an AFD. Cool Marc ✉ 21:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect God damnit. Why don’t you all just go to all the articles I have spent DAYS on and redirect them. I can’t believe I have wasted my time on this site. I feel like the 2 years I have been here was a complete waste. The number of articles I have edited to create my own, and everyone doesn’t like it and all my work goes down the fucking drain. My relatives were right. They said they said Wikipedia is not for me. I ignored there comments because I thought I had a chance here, but they were right. Waste of my time and should have left from the start. DarklyShadows (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DarklyShadows: as previously explained to you as per WP:NSONGS charting indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.) Cool Marc ✉ 22:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry that has been your experience on Wikipedia. I would try to not look at this as a completely negative experience. Aoba47 (talk) 01:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral at this time.

This is a type of dispute that is common in the music area. In some of the general areas, there are said to inclusionist and deletionist editors. In music, there are inclusionist and redirectionist editors. Inclusionists take an expansive view of how many articles the encyclopedia should have. In other areas, deletionists favor deleting articles that they do not consider to be notable or encyclopedic. In the music area, the restrictive view is that of redirectionists, who prefer to redirect songs to albums, and sometimes to redirect albums to artists. Disputes also arise concerning performers known as members of a particular group or band, and inclusionists support separate articles, while redirectionists prefer to redirect to the articles on the group or band. The basic issue is usually one of different philosophies of the encyclopedia with regard to how fine a level of granularity is in order for articles as opposed to redirect entries.
Often the interaction between inclusionists and either deletionists or redirectionists can be productive. Sometimes it becomes unpleasant and disruptive.
Some editors like to rely almost entirely on the general notability guideline. Other editors, typically inclusionists, prefer to rely primarily on special notability guidelines, and to write the special notability guidelines broadly to permit as much coverage as possible. There are also questions as to whether the special notability guidelines should be interpreted expansively to call for inclusion or only permissively to allow inclusion.
This is a classic inclusionist - redirectionist dispute. User:DarklyShadows is an enthusiastic inclusionist who supports large numbers of music articles.

Robert McClenon (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?. While there are good citations in this article, there should an indication that this song has received coverage from third-party, reliable sources outside of album reviews alone. As it was said above, chart position is only sign of possible notability. The focus should on the coverage, like something similar to this kind of article from Genius. I would be more than happy to change my vote if more sources can be found and either listed here or incorporated into the article itself. Aoba47 (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Although the song charted in Canada hitting a peak of 69, that is not a guarantee of notability. There lacks any significant sourced commentary in independent reliable sources to establish notability. Album reviews attest to the notability of the album and st lists serve only verify facts but do not establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 03:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - per insufficient information for the song to merit its own article. I must say that articles like "!!!!!!!", "8 (Billie Eilish song)", "Listen Before I Go" and "I Love You (Billie Eilish song)" seem unnecessary too. We don't need to play gymnastics with the guidelines when there is virtually no new information for these songs to merit articles.--N Ø 04:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - is fails to meet notability. Moreover, I agree with the user above regarding the other articles. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – per reasons above. – zmbro _(talk) 17:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?: Per above. Barely found anything about the song. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 07:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per redirect votes. Not every song from the album deserves a separate article, especially when WP:NSONG hasn't been met. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, per nom. The content can easily be included on the parent album's page . → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 18:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.