Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Good Design Award (Chicago Athenaeum)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy merge to Chicago Athenaeum. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good Design Award (Chicago Athenaeum)[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Don't see any evidence these awards pass WP:GNG. References appear to overwhelmingly be quasi-press-releases. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 20:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ the only source I could find that was not a CV entry saying someone had won the award was from "Industrial Fabric Products Review, Volume 92, Issues 1-6". So, not notable by lack of SIGCOV.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Chicago Athenaeum. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete pri source trademark filings and (as noted above) press releases redone as churnalism don't cut it. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Chicago Athenaeum. Note that the article was longer before I pared it down. This prize (along with International Architecture Awards) seems to be a Vanity award. The entry fee is 350 USD, and is is awarded in the hundreds. By cloaking it in the mantle of the MoMA exhibition from the 1950ies, it is puffed up. Some recipients of the award do mention this in brochures etc. So collecting information about the numerous "awards" handed out by the Chicago Athenaeum seems fair. --Minderbinder (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Chicago Athenaeum. A similar hunt for sourcing on Google uncovers nothing useful. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's a curious award. They say "Since 1950, the Museum has awarded approximately 40,000 GOOD DESIGN Awards...", which averages to 571 awards a year. Not particularly selective. As stated above the entry fee is also $375. On the other hand, they claim on the same page that it had input at the beginning from the likes of Charles and Ray Eames, Edgar Kaufmann Jr., Russel Wright, George Nelson, and Eero Saarinen. It sounds to me like something that started out as a big deal but has since diluted its value.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This 1996 article is also interesting: "Six years ago the Chicago Athenaeum resurrected the GOOD DESIGN Competition, which was founded in 1950 by Charles and Ray Eames, Eero Saarinen, and Edgar Kaufman, but had lain dormant for 33 years." Which is to say, there was an competition from 1950-1956 or 1957, then nothing until 1990, when it was revived in its current form. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, there's no connection between the 1950s award and this one, other than the name.BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 17:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BubbaJoe123456, isn't it the same institution? I was figuring it must be, as they tried to trademark the award name.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The 1950s version were the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA). The Chicago Atheneum wasn't founded until 1988. As far as I can tell, the award was given for a few years in the 1950s, and then shut down, and then the Athenaeum launched a new award in the early 90s with the same name. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 17:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is unraveling quite quickly! What you say makes sense because I could find nothing in references pre 1990s for the award that included a mention of the Chicago Atheneum.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the above I am going to change my !vote to Merge, with Chicago Athenaeum. Some mention of the MoMa history should be included. I would have suggested merging to the MoMA article, but naming would be tricky. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's already an article for the original Good Design Award (Museum of Modern Art). I think the rationale for not having just one article is that would imply that there's a connection between the two beyond the same name. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 18:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have linked that as I meant Good Design Award (Museum of Modern Art) when I said MoMa article. In a perfect world I think it makes sense to have them both in one article with a continuous history, but the naming and ownership makes it tricky. Anyway I think we are more or less on the same page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a side note. I wrote the article Good Design Award (Museum of Modern Art), and I object to merging it with information about the awards which Christian Narkiewicz-Laine is handing out like candy. In one year (2012), more than 700 of these awards were awarded. You do the math. Recipients should order a couple of award books from the Metropolitan Arts Press, another outfit connected to Mr. Narkiewicz-Laine. The word "metropolitan" and "art" sound a bit like the The Metropolitan Museum of Art, which is surely a coincidence. --Minderbinder (talk) 14:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect into Chicago Athenaeum. Someone is trying it on here. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.