Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goal horn

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete; this article is original research, and Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. No arguments for keeping have addressed this. --Core desat 04:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goal horn

Article about a rather small part of ice hockey games. Unsourced, and doesn't assert notability aside from "Goal horns are played when the home team in a hockey game scores a goal". If kept, needs to be cleaned up due to major listcruft problems. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for pure listcruft; nothing more than a collection of esoteric trivia of interest to very few. The information would be better located in a fan page, though in significantly pared down form might be merged with another NHL or related article. --Nonstopdrivel 01:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Marginal delete with the note that I have no objection to including this information on the individual team's page. Part of the problem with this article is that the equivalent is played at pretty much *every* competitive endeavor, whether it's Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, or I dunno, Competitive Ballroom Dancing. See Music at sporting events for a more encyclopedic attempt. This *might* be merged there, but I doubt it'd be a good idea. FrozenPurpleCube 01:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Listcruft. As someone from Canada, I can see a certain distinctness to the goal horn, but do not find them notable. What's next - a list if the ice surface sizes for all teams? Considered in that light, inclusion on the team page seems proper. Reference to the baseball horn at the Rogers Centre is actually referenced on that page as an example of where this info likely belongs. Citations would be required even to include this info on the team pages. Pever 03:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Also reads as WP:OR. Resolute 03:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Complete WP:OR, fails WP:V (although I can't imagine anyone making all of that up). RGTraynor 14:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Expand or move to Wiktionary I took a look at some similar topics: Train whistle, Air horn, Deer horn, and Steam whistle. Each of these is a complete article, with history of the technology to make the sounds, how they're used, diagrams, photos, etc. If this article can be similarly developed, then I'd say keep. If not, then move the basic definition to Wiktionary ColtsScore 23:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note I've put a note on User talk:Ohyeh as she/he created the article ColtsScore 23:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Although for some of the stadiums and only if there is a source, it can be put into the respective articles while the goal horn can be described/merge into the hockey or NHL (or other league) articles. A list like that and especially with the lack of references is not needed. Fails WP:V.--JForget 00:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, I think its an interesting and readable topic if its presented correctly, and as shown here, there is still a lot of work to be done. I really particularly like how they say what chord each horn is... if its true. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per Croat Canuck. --Djsasso 05:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I think there are alternatives to deletion here. Firstly, the chords are correct (I downloaded some chords), secondly I don't see any attempt at at least placing maintainence tags, and thirdly, it's an important feautre in NHL, anyways at least in Canada. Evilclown93_(talk) 20:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this article subject belong on the Wikitionary. GoodDay 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. I'm not certain how important knowing the chord being played at however many decibels is to the game itself--it's essentially a celebratory function, similar to the stereotypical 'GOAL' shouted for half a minute for football/soccer. I can see a use for it as trivia, and the argument isn't the veracity or accuracy, Evilclown93--it's whether this is a list that needs to be maintained each time a team changes its name, arena, or horn. And as a side note to FrozenPurpleCube, horns are generally not used in basketball, a sport where the home team may score thirty to sixty times in a 40-48 minute game. That might be too much even for the most die-hard fan! IL-Kuma 07:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. The article should stay, but with many changes. There should be a history of when the goal horn was introduced (For the record, the Chicago Blackhawks started this in the mid-1980's) and how it has become a part of hockey. Rather than list the chord for each horn, used what type of horn is used for each team (Kahlenberg being the most common brand). --Capsgm2002 19:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per Croat Canuck. Bsroiaadn^Talk 01:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.