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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. While there's consensus that this isn't suitably notable for mainspace, there's a valid argument with consensus behind it that it could be edited sufficiently to keep it alive until the team potentially attains notability. Star Mississippi 14:52, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gibraltar women's national under-19 football team[edit]

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No evidence of any notability for this team which hasn't played a single game so far, and is of very minor importance once it starts playing anyway. Population of Gibraltar = 34,000, this is basically a youth team for a large town. Gibraltar has just 5 women's senior soccer teams, and no U19 competition for women. May be worth a paragraph in the senior team article perhaps, once they start playing regularly. Fram (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You mean next week when they start playing regularly?We should keep it because otherwise by your logic we should delete all Gibraltar football related content except the men's senior team. VampireKilla (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, regularly as in a few years, not two games. Fram (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSPORT. Clearly a case of WP:TOOSOON. On a side note, arguments over the size of the town/country, our coverage of women versus men in sports, or the potential future notability of the topic are all non-policy based comments. The fact is, we lack sources with in-depth independent significant coverage, largely because the team hasn't started playing. If and when multiple sources with independent significant coverage emerge then we can create an article. It's that simple.4meter4 (talk) 18:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • If that's the case then I'd rather move it into Draftspace until the qualification campaign is finished and enough coverage has accumulated, then I can keep working on the page until it's ready to be published rather than entirely deleting it for a few weeks and then having to rebuild it from scratch. VampireKilla (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@VampireKilla I have no objection of moving it to draft, although I do not agree that it would be a matter of a "few weeks". This topic needs to demonstrate WP:SUSTAINED coverage to prove notability, and that requires time. Otherwise it runs afowl of WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. Further, we need sources about the team itself outside of the context of routine coverage of individual games to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV per WP:ORG (sports teams are organizations). And that will likely take a longer period of time to develop than just a few weeks. While I can not predict what RS will occur when, in general my experience is that content on organizations like sports teams takes a few years to develop sufficient enough quality RS to pass WP:ORGCRIT unless they are part of a major sports league (which this team isn't) where in-depth independent coverage occurs rapidly. I would caution you that this a topic which may take much longer than a few weeks to develop significant independent coverage in RS, and it could be a matter of months or even years before it is ready to have an article in main space. Best not to go in to article development with a set time frame in mind. It could be a brief period or a long period of time for RS to develop. The sources should lead the article development and timing of moving this article out of draft. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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