Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gian Carlo Guicciardi

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The result was Incubate. Black Kite (t) (c) 01:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gian Carlo Guicciardi[edit]

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Contested prod. Luthier with no real evidence of notability. Google News returns two trivial sources and nothing for the alternate spelling "Giancarlo Guicciardi."

Delete. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 04:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This individual is not notable enough. In both articles he is only mentioned in passing. --Angelikfire (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Against deletion The Bologna Luthier School is arguably the most important Luthier School in '900. Gian Carlo Guicciardi is among the most representative of this school, having been a pupil of the great Ansaldo Poggi. Many luthiers of the new generation make reference in their website to Giancarlo Guicciardi as a revered master (http://www.liuteria-parmense.com/ita/storia_900.htm, http://www.dallaquercia.it/, http://www.marcominnozzi.com/guicciardi_it.html, http://www.gianni-norcia-liutaio.it/GianniNorciaLiutaio.html, http://ricerca.gelocal.it/mattinopadova/archivio/mattinodipadova/2009/07/19/MB1PO_MB101.html, http://www.liuteriatoscana.org/eng/abe.htm, http://www.suonare.it/DettaglioRicerca.php?IdNews=1267, et.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcamillini (talk • contribs) 20:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These are not the kind of sources we are looking for that would establish notability. In fact, some of them don't even mention Guicciardi. Please read WP:GNG and WP:RS. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 23:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Against deletion~~ with reference to Blanchardb's note it's hard to make sense of his criticism, comparing the figure of Guicciardi with what is on in the wikipedia's contemporary luthiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_luthiers#Contemporary). Rcamillini (talk) 17:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not !vote twice. You are welcome to add comments, however. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 22:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

note The article has been improved, take a look! Rcamillini (talk) 21:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The improvement you made was merely the addition of what we call unreferenced puffery and does not address the issues mentioned above. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 13:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I cannot agree, actually the impovements are facts you can check easily calling the declared associations: ALI (Associazione Liurtai Italiani); EILA (International Society of Violin and Bow Makers);Rotary (Vignola - Castelfranco Emilia - Bazzano). The truth is lutiers live in a niche world, rarely contemporary violin makers break the news, they are far from the stage, no wonder it is not so easy to find the kind of evidences you are looking for even on the web.Rcamillini (talk) 21:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP: This maker is very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.39.213.177 (talk) 11:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC) — 93.39.213.177 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Being good does not make him inherently notable. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 13:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Keep: Guicciardi is an outstanding violin maker, many musicians especially in Italy, Germany and Japan play a Guicciardi violin, viola or cello. He is the most important pupil of Ansaldo Poggi (one of the most important Italian luthier). Marcella Ghigi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.89.37.156 (talk) 20:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - President of EILA (International Society of Violin and Bow Makers. Perhaps an arcane topic but seems a well known figure within the violin-making world. Article is not done in a commercial manner. Carrite (talk) 02:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree with Rcamillini that rarely contemporary violin makers appear in the news, and strictly following Wikipedia's notability criteria probably more than 50% of the makers listed here should be deleted. Maestro Guicciardi is with no doubt a well known and reputed collegue, someone who will not be forgotten by our History.--RegazziR (talk) 08:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We can't have an unsourced BLP and all the keep votes are by assertion, except one and the subject isn't even mentioned in that. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Incubate. Appears he may be notable but further work is required. Stifle (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Qwerp ♫ ♪ ツ 20:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep and wikify and extend. Gian Carlo Guicciardi is well know, with many sources available to satisfy notability, so why was he nominated. scope_creep (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Incubate. Stifle's reasoning makes perfect sense, and is the best way to balance the possible notability with the present lack of sources. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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