Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Get Back (Demi Lovato song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Discussions of a redirect can take place on the talk page if so desired. Wizardman 02:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Get Back (Demi Lovato song)[edit]

WP:MUSIC states Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. This single doesn't approach that status: leaked, off an album that is yet to be released, performed by one performer, no awards, and the performer has never charted at all. Kww (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —Cliff smith ^talk 20:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep, confirmed first single from a major artist. Everyking (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep, Per Everyking. Quasy Boy 18:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Due to the fact that Demi performed the song on Good Morning America, a very popular morning talk show, it shows signs of notability. -- iMatthew _T.C. 00:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Given that Demi Lovato and Good Morning America are both owned by Disney, isn't it more a sign of marketing than notability? GMA certainly doesn't qualify as an independent source.
Kww (talk) 00:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect back Don't Forget, fails notability per WP:MUSIC#Songs. Esradekan Gibb ^"Talk" 02:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - there's nothing of significance to write about this specific song. Being a single from a major artists doesn't grant notabilty to every single they release. -- Whpq (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Demi Lovato (or someplace reasonable) until there is some independent coverage and something to say on the subject. -MrFizyx (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as I found this on Google news. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Can you point me at the portion of WP:MUSIC that is satisfied by that source? I'm not saying that the song doesn't exist, I'm saying that it satisfies no requirement laid down by WP:MUSIC.Kww (talk) 17:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - The song appears in the title of an article on Google news, which we tend to consider the reliable non-fan sources, and is referenced in others, which suggests that it is keepable in some capacity. Plus, reviews exist specifically of this song. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't answer the question. WP:MUSIC lays down very specific guidelines to apply, superceding the general requirements of WP:N. Which of those very specific guidelines do you believe that your source supports?Kww (talk) 18:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The section on songs that says "there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article." I see the sources as sufficient enough to write a reasonably detailed article. That section also notes that at worst the song would be redirected to another article, which is not something editors need or would use a deletion discussion to do. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frequently, the only way to make a redirect stick is to have it decided on by a deletion discussion. We are here because Everyking has insisted upon undoing the redirects to the parent album without providing any reasoning whatsoever, or responding to discussions on his talk page.Kww (talk) 18:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article has mergeable content, however. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.