Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerard Dowling

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The result was delete. The weight of argument here comes down pretty firmly against the subject's passing WP:BASIC with very weak coverage. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gerard Dowling[edit]

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Non notable priest. Dean of a cathedral is not a position giving presumed notability. Medal of the OA is the lowest position, awarded in unlimited numbers. DGG ( talk ) 20:50, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- to be consistent with what I said in another AfD, being a rabbi is not automatically notable and neither is being a priest.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete like Rusf10 I am also reminded of the currently up for dletion article on a rabbi, where one person alleged all rabbis presiding over synagogues are notable. This would be like saying all rectors/cathedral deans are notable. Well, clearly all rectors are not notable. While Cathedral deans are probably a step closer to default notability than rectors, only bishops are default notable, and I have to admit while this makes sense to me in the Catholic context (limiting Catholic to those bishops recognized by the Pope in Rome, not Old Catholic and other breakaway groups, which sometimes are extremely small), I think the attempted application of this principal to Episcopalians and Lutherans has at times mislead us. Many Episcopalian dioceses are extremely small in number of total congregants. Dowling is at a level where we would need broad coverage in multiple reliable sources, coming from outside his local area of operation, and we lack that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Outside of his priest activities, I think Gerald Dowling's 40+ year radio career is worthy of notability (https://www.misacor.org.au/index.php/emagazine/current-news/141-fr-gerry-dowling-family-cou-nsellor-on-air ), along with his work as a Club historian for the North Melbourne Football Club. Happy to do some further work on the article in the next couple of weeks to expand it more to reflect those areas. Disclosing that I have been a member of his last parish too. Jbro68 (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
At most weak keep -- Anglican deans where #Anglicanism is the dominant religion are probably notable. Catholic ones outside Catholic majority countries may not be. Football club historians are probably also NN per se. I am not qualified to judge the prominence of his radio career, but if with a major radio station the combination might be enough to push him into notability. I note we have another person of the same name. It may be this article should be Gerard Dowling (priest) freeing up the present name for the other person. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 00:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because there is WP:SIGCOV. WP:HEY we evaluate priests the way we do any other profession, by searching for sources. I ran a proquest news archive search on his name , and added the first few articles dedicated to him (an interview on being a football fan, a profile of his radio work, news coverage when he was hospitalized for cancer,) I stopped after adding these few; there were more. Article needs improvement.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- non notable either as a priest or a radio personality. Sourcing is in passing, routine and / or WP:SPIP. "...is known by many for his pastoral outreach" is pure WP:ADVOCACY. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not notable by what is shown. Kierzek (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sources, in addition to those already on the page, include Radio priest defies grave illness Herald Sun, 2006; a number of 1996 articles on the 25th anniversary of his radio program, like this:

"ACROSS 25 years the most noticeable change has been the scourge left by drugs, but otherwise, says Father Gerard Dowling, the problems of people and the willingness of others to help remains basically the same. Father Dowling, the spiritual director of Melbourne's Catholic Family Welfare Bureau, ought to know, because this Sunday his weekly radio talkback show, The Family Counsellor, reaches its 25th birthday. It's a remarkable run for a show that debuted as a one-hour program in the 11pm slot on Father's Day 1973 on the then 3UZ. It moved to 3DB, then TT-FM when the station changed format, before returning to Sport 927 in recent years. Over 1300 programs (the show hasn't missed a single week), Father Dowling has offered advice to listeners, or advised them on how to seek help from other sources.

"People are under tremendous pressure these days; there's a lot of uncertainty," he says. "But I still find it uplifting that people are actually looking for help. The fact that people are ringing means they believe there is some answer to their problems. For many, just having someone to listen to them is something." At last, a chance to air grievances; Radio Waves in The Age. He was President of the charity St. Vincent de Paul in Victoria $7.5m for poor from St Vincent describes here by The Age as "one of Victoria's largest charities]. out of time for now, but there are more articles, article just needs a news archive search.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 10:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the sources above are not suitable for notability. For example, the extensively quote piece is an interview, as in:

"...otherwise, says Father Gerard Dowling, the problems of people..." Etc.

The other sources are likewise not sufficient. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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