Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerald Trump

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus was that the subject meets WP:GNG and WP:NCRIC.

The locality of coverage does not seem too relevant here (only slightly relevant here due to WP:SPORTCRIT) unless the subject is an organization.

Finally a cricketer that is kept. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 12:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Trump[edit]

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Non-notable cricketer, nothing significant in searches, fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 02:58, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have found confirmation in some school directories that there was a "G. Trump" variously a principal and headmaster at what was then Edington School in the early 1980s, but no confirmation that that person is this person. Uncle G (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep/weak redirect to List of Devon County Cricket Club List A players Has only played 1 List-A match, however he had a significant minor counties career of over 100 appearances, captaining the side. Searching brought up a few snippets of information on him, but probably not enough to meet significant coverage, however due to his significant career sources may well exist offline or locally. Currently I'd say redirect as a suitable WP:ATD exists, however if more can be found happy to change my vote. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Following article updates and great research from below, it looks like he passes GNG with his combined cricketing and educational exploits. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Founder of Appleford School and an educational psychologist, in addition to his cricket. StickyWicket (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Where does your information come from that these are the same people? Uncle G (talk) 15:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment. Given what's stated in the article about the specialist school, seems almost certain they're the same person [1]. StickyWicket (talk) 17:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - The article states a completely different school to the one that you've claimed, and cites no source. So you have not, in fact, found any confirmation for what you are asserting and have not actually found this information anywhere apart from misreading the school in the article at hand and linking it to something from the wrong school that says nothing about cricket? Uncle G (talk) 19:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Appleford School's account doesn't match contemporary newspaper reports, unless it is a different person, which seems unlikely. I found an article in the Central Somerset Gazette, 21 April 1972 discussing the foundation of Chalice School by Peter Moore and Colin Atkinson (headmaster at Millfield), where Trump was to become the headmaster having worked a "assistant master in charge of the Remedial English Department at Millfield"; the article also states Trump as "captain of Devon County Cricket Club". A later article in the Central Somerset Gazette, 20 September 1974 discussed Trump opening a similar school in Edington (now Shapwick School) due to the impending closure of Chalice. I'll add these two to the article to support the statements there. Not found any explicit link to Appleford yet. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 19:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per playing in List A cricket, his significant m/c career and the extra info found by AA. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Simply passes WP:GNG on the basis of the sources that are already in the article, and would be likely see enhanced coverage if the article was researched more thoroughly, both due to his role as a long-term cricketer for Devon, and because of his later educational career. Once again, though, the welter of information which has come out following the AfD makes me concerned about nominator's statement that there is "nothing in searches". DevaCat1 (talk) 11:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is not reasonable to expect anyone to find coverage behind a paywall. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 16:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, I disagree on that. If you're going to comment "nothing in searches" then make them comprehensive- online, offline- or note that the BNA has not been checked in the AfD nomination. The WP:BEFORE standard is seriously flawed and allows for too many AfDs to be presented. I note that the coverage from Devon CCC, which I have added and which is not behind a paywall, was not picked up either. I would expect anyone submitting an AfD to have done comprehensive checks, and refer to them in the AfD proposal. Second, note the nominator's comment to me on an exchange on his talk page that "I've subscription access to almost all Australian and British newspapers (plus cricket books)" (comment 21 March at 15:23) so I would presume that he has access to the BNA. If someone has access to the BNA, then they should be checking it. So your comment is, in my view, both wrong in theory and evidentially wrong about this particular nominator. In any case, thanks for enhancing the article before the drive-by of me. DevaCat1 (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don't have access to BNA so in my before I haven't searched BNA. Störm (talk) 23:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've expanded the article with everything I could easily find on BNA. By my reckoning there is enough significant coverage to pass GNG, even if it is all local. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 16:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks for finding the additional info Wjemather :) StickyWicket (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh One could make a very reasonable delete argument based on the hyper-local coverage; had he not played his single WP:NCRIC-qualifying match, for which no coverage has been found, we wouldn't keep this article, and I fully expect that List A matches will fall off WP:NCRIC if we ever actually match it to GNG. That being said I'm too exhausted from all of this cricket cleanup to make that argument, so I'm just noting this for the future. (The fact he would be additionally notable for being a headmaster is ludicrous.) SportingFlyer T·C 01:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. So is calling for people to be banned or using G5 on an AfD. StickyWicket (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.