Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgi Adamia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Georgi Adamia

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator because he played in the Azerbaijan top division. Since that league is not confirmed as fully pro, playing in it does not confer notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 19:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am tired of wikipedians proposing to delete articles that they personally consider they could do without. Your assertion is wrong. WP:GNG does not mention anything about fully professional leagues. Also, you must back up your belittling claims with reliable sources about the Azerbaijan league, when you claim that it is not worth any attention. Otherwise, I can reasonably assume that this deletion is made for some kind of personal reasons.--Bogu Slav 19:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Boguslav - way to AGF. Fenix down (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 06:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes WP:GNG based on multiple appearances in notable stages of UEFA Intertoto Cup and the UEFA Europa League. IJA (talk) 09:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Intertoto Cup was little more than glorified qualifying rounds for the UEFA Cup/Europa League and playing in it at any stage does not confer notability. Though best I can tell he never played in this competition making this a moot point. Moreover, he never played in the group stage of the Europa League or Champions League, which are the only stages of European competition which do confer notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. Has not played in any non-qulifying rounds of European competition either, standard non-notable journeyman footballer. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- please provide at least SOME proof that he has never played in a fully professional league. Otherwise, these discussions are purely your opinion. Give a credible source saying that the Azerbaijan league is not professional.--Bogu Slav 02:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - As sensible as that is, it doesn't unfortunately work that way. This could simply be resolved if User:Boguslavmandzyuk were to simply provide a reference that the league is fully professional. Surely the local media must discuss things like that from time-to-time. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 02:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because none of the deletionists has given any reliable sources for their reasons to delete. --Bogu Slav 02:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reason to delete here is the absence of reliable sources. Joe Decker sums the situation up nicely in his closing remarks in an AfD concerning another Azeri footballer:

In this instance, NFOOTY gives a plainly ambiguous result. Having looked to the April discussion at WT:NFOOTY, I find that while there was a consensus to remove the [Azerbaijan Premier] League from the [List of fully professional leagues], I do not see that there is a consensus about whether the league is or isn't fully-professional, it is instead simply so far unverified either way. We don't know...In addition, SNGs in general and NFOOTY in particular is usually, as a matter of textual interpretation, treated as putting the burden of proof on those wishing to show notability via the criteria, which further reduced the weight of keep arguments based on NFOOTY.

Simply put it is the absence of reliable sources concerning the professional standing of the Azerbaijan Premier League that means the article fails WP:NFOOTY and the absence of significant coverage in reliable sources that means the article fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:GNG the player was the top scorer in the Azerbaijan Premier League in 2010-2011 season and top scorer in the Commonwealth of Independent States Cup in 2005 an annual regional football tournament, recognized by FIFA and was part of the winning team in 2006.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As Bogslav pointed out in their first comment, WP:GNG doesn't mention anything about particular footballing accomplishments. They are only relevant to general notability if they have generated significant coverage, which does not appear to be the case here. The sources listed in the article are routine sports journalism that one would expect to find even for footballers well below the threshold of notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep With 7 Champions League appearances and 22 Europa League appearances over the last decade, and being the top goalscorer in the top league in a country where football is the top sport, it's inconceivable that if one had access to local press, that there wouldn't be abundant evidence to meet WP:GNG. To suggest deletion of this article is an extreme example of WP:BIAS. Nfitz (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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