Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Bogin Memorial Award

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

George Bogin Memorial Award[edit]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:GNG. Merging to Poetry Society of America could be acceptable. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry, Awards, and United States of America. UtherSRG (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep' Seems to be named after George Bogin a notable poet and translator who was widely published in literary magazines across the world. I notice all the other awards of the society have articles but they are all badly sourced. There is some weight to it, and its considered quite prestiguous. scope_creep^Talk 04:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per scope creep. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Policy-based input would be helpful
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. UtherSRG (talk) 12:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not particularly policy based but I'm not really seeing how deleting this list of winners benefits the encyclopedia? The granting body is clearly notable and the list can't reasonably be duplicated in Poetry Society of America. There's abundant name-checking of the award in poets' bios in reliable independent sources, so readers might be interested to find details. A lot of the recipients have articles, so it provides a useful resource to readers in threading our articles on poets together. Proquest finds a mention in “Connecting a Different Reading Public: Compiling 美国文学大辞典" Yu, Jianhua. The Journal of Transnational American Studies Vol. 10, Iss. 2, (2019) which is talking about the inclusions in an academic handbook covering foreign literature published in China in Chinese, implying it is a major literature award at an international level. But I guess simply coming down to the notion that our fundamental purpose is to be an encyclopedia, so strong arguments need to be raised to delete information where there is reliable-enough sourcing and no harm. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And for those desperate for coverage, further trawling through Proquest finds IN FOCUS BEST BETS FOR THINGS TO DO AROUND TAOS: Local poet wins national award. The Taos News; 01 Apr 2010: TE.33 (several paras). Espresso Addict (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JSTOR search shows winners (and sometimes judges) have historically been noted in the magazine Poetry eg News Notes. Poetry, Vol. 158, No. 5 (Aug., 1991), pp. 299-300 JSTOR 20602919 and many more from other years. There are also brief comments in 3rd-party reviews of poetry that mention the award eg "But one has to admire Cader for embarking on the project (which, after all, won the 1997 George Bogin Memorial Award)." Review: The Mind's Way of Hanging On. Reviewed Work: The Paper Wasp by Teresa Cader. Review by: LARISSA SZPORLUK. Agni, No. 51 (2000), pp. 273-279 JSTOR 3007867 suggesting that the award is of significance to the reception of the work. Also noted in JSTOR 0639652. (Not sure why these weren't showing up in the Ebsco search?) Espresso Addict (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My editor hat question/not a !vote as it's also not policy based is would be what makes this an article. The award could be mentioned in the PSA article, and the winners in a category. To me, the souring depth isn't there and it could achieve your point of provides a useful resource to readers in threading our articles on poets together. Just my .02 Star Mississippi 01:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These awards lists are something that GNG is rather ill-suited for, imo. In my experience only very prestigious awards get the kind of depth of coverage that GNG fans desire. The rest get this kind of level, ie inclusion in writers' bios all over the place (which is a major reason it's useful to readers), plus brief announcements that X won, plus occasional local coverage of the form 'local author won prestigious national prize, go us!'. In cases like this where no-one doubts the existence of the object, I tend to go back to necessity to delete, relating to harm from article, which isn't demonstrated here, in my opinion. But clearly other mileages may reasonably vary. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. I don't totally disagree with you, nor with @Scope creep. I just don't fully agree either. I feel like (separately from however this closes) we do need an article on Bogin though, which I may start. Star Mississippi 02:21, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: George Bogin. It needs more but it's enough to survive for now. Star Mississippi 12:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.