Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Adams (1920s footballer)

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

George Adams (1920s footballer)[edit]

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Footballer who fails WP:NFOOTY, having never played in a fully professional league or at full international level. No evidence of substantial coverage to otherwise satisfy WP:GNG. Jellyman (talk) 22:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - might his appearances for Dundee Hibernian (now Dundee United) mean he meets NFOOTBALL? Either way it doesn't matter as he fails WP:GNG. Could consider a redirect to List of Dundee United F.C. players instead. GiantSnowman 09:21, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- He wouldn't pass it as he only appeared for Dundee Hibs in the Second Division. WP:FPL only covers the current league structure at present; but under the pre-1975 setup with larger divisions (usually just two), only the top tier would ever have been substantially professional.Jellyman (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment he passes WP:V [1] but based on a lack of sources and my inability to search Scottish newspapers this looks like it's on the Dundee United historians to save. SportingFlyer T·C 13:00, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I've found a source (and possibly a second one), but to me there isn't enough out there to justify WP:GNG. If more sources can be found I can re-evaluate my vote. – ᕼᗩᑎᗪOTO (talk) 19:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you, User:Handoto, add your sources to the article, or at least the AFD, so we can all assess them, and not spend time digging out the same sources? Nfitz (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My gut feeling is he probably does not meet WP:GNG. The first volume of Gracie's history of Dundee United - "A Passion for Survival" - indicates (p.208) that he was a regular for the the club at the start of season 1921-1922 which was Dundee Hibernian's return to league football following the reintroduction of a Second Division and he seems to be in the photograph of the first XI included on p.46. However Gracie also suggests that he was not a regular in the second half of the season and his only appearance then was in a minor competition (the Eastern League). Certainly Second Division Football in Scotland in the 1920s would be considered to be of a high standard at the time, but not fully professional (although this was also true of the top division which had in Queens Park a fully amateur side). Unfortunately Gracie gives no information if he played for other league teams. I do not have my copy of the Dundee United Centenary History to hand - it is possible it has more details in terms of appearances. Dunarc (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment is there a way to search newspapers of the time from Dundee? SportingFlyer T·C 23:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- SportingFlyer the British Newspaper Archive has some Dundee newspapers from this time, but it is not a free service. A quick look shows that The Courier (Dundee) 17 may 1921 covered the signing of Adams and Dan Gibson by Dundee Hibs from Montrose. The same newspaper 1 May 1925 mentions Arbroath playing Montrose in a benefit game for Montrose player George Adams which would suggest he returned to his former club who for some of this period played in the short lived third division. As an aside Montrose Roselea F.C.'s chairman after the Second World War seems to have been called George Adams, but there is no clue if they are the same person. Overall I suspect there is not enough to demonstrate notability. Dunarc (talk) 23:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete looks like we're not going to get to WP:GNG based off the work done by Dunarc. SportingFlyer T·C 23:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know anything about football, but, as well as finding the news about his signing to Dundee in 1921 and the benefit game for George Adams of Montrose in 1925, in April 1923 there is a report of presentations to two Montrose FC players, including George Adams the right back, on the occasion of his marriage. So it would seem that he did return to Montrose FC after leaving Dundee Hibernian in 1922. He was resigned by Montrose FC in/by August 1924. Does having a benefit game mean he'd left? He was certainly "a well-known Montrose ex-footballer" and "former left-back for the Gable-Endies" by November 1925, when he stopped a bolting horse and cart on Montrose High Street. Not looking like GNG yet, but will have a bit more of a look. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I can't find anything and it seems like although others have found much more than me that he doesn't satisfy GNG. A redirect isn't possible given the disambiguator. J 947 ^{^{^(c)}}, at 04:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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