Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genocide of the Ingrian Finns

Deletion? Are you actually kidding me? As if our people hadn't already went through enough?? Now you want to censor what we have already suffered?? Absolutely not. I'm not allowing this. We have the right to, at least, have readers barely acknowledging what we're speaking up against.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge or move‎ - both of which can be handled editorially. Please continue this discussion on the article's Talk page as a consensus to delete will not emerge here and neither action requires admin tools. Star Mississippi 02:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide of the Ingrian Finns

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WP:POVFORK of Deportations of the Ingrian Finns. Both articles cover the very same topic. Mellk (talk) 16:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Perhaps merging the two would be warranted, but I feel an article of this name has potential. Teaching in Finnish and Izhorian was also banned as the deportations were occurring, and the Forbidden Border Zone was established during that time as well. I'll admit I don't know much about the subject beyond that though. Arctic Circle System (talk) 16:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see what there is to merge. The newer article only consists of a background section and aftermath section. Mellk (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it appears I missed this. I mean merge the two articles under the name Genocide of the Ingrian Finns, primarily covering the deportations, but expanding on the repression of Finnish and Izhorian-language teaching, the repression of Ingrian religious institutions and intelligentsia, and the destruction of Ingria as a historical region? Expanding a combined article would likely take a long time, however. Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Events, History, Military, Finland, and Russia. Skynxnex (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deportations were an instrument of the genocide, so the deportation article could be merge to this one perhaps? Velivieras (talk) 10:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is WP:RM for this. Mellk (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellk, @Skynxnex, @Velivieras: Then perhaps this discussion should be moved to the merge request board? Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Arctic Circle System merge is a valid close option for WP:AFD. Since the nominator still is arguing for delete an early close would be improper at this time with only two other people offering opinions. So at this time wait the ~7 days for it to be closed by an experienced closer or to be relisted if there's no clear consensus. Skynxnex (talk) 03:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Arctic Circle System (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Deportations of the Ingrian Finns into this one. They’re basically forks. Bearian (talk) 03:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge either way. It was a genocide, but that can discussed under either title. Compare with Deportation of the Crimean Tatars. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 04:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - merge the deportations article into this article as the genocide is the more general topic, with the deportations being one example. It gives more scope that way for further development / adding information which is relevant to genocide, but not strictly connected to the deportations.

Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.