Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gedi (mythology)

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The result was Rename to Ngendei and keep‎. Less Unless (talk) 14:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gedi (mythology)

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Notable if true, but I couldn't find sources to show it is notable. Boleyn (talk) 14:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Mythology and Oceania. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was able to pull something off google books. Just a passing mention though. ForksForks (talk) 23:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and keep or merge to Fijian mythology. The cited source popping up in the Google Books search, World Mythology Lite, seems to be self-published, or am I mistaken? But I did find a number of more serious looking sources under the alternate name Ngendi, which further give the names Ngendei and Ngendel as synonyms. Under these, there are more details given, but I am not quite sure if they amount to as much that treatment as a separate article or section within an overview article would be best. No source I have seen gives Gedi as an alternative name to Ngendi, etc. Daranios (talk) 10:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now I see that Ndengei is actually the pronounciation of Degei, and Ndengei is used very much synonymously to Ngendi/Ngendei as in the above search. However, I've so far seen no source which equates those name variants. At the Degei article again, the fertility god which brings fire, as in Pears, is not present. So I guess move this article to Ndengi, which now redirects here, preserve the history there, and merge to Degei? Daranios (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as i can tell, Gedi and Degi, or Ngedei and Ndegei, or Ngedi and Ndegi, are two different gods. GD is mostly known for earthquakes, while DG is the top god and judges people. I suspect others have confused the two. The two articles should cross-reference each other. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Ngendei and keep, based on Aymatth2's input. There seems to be a lot of parallels to both deities, very likely also due to confusion in the sources, but we have no clear indication they are the same. And we should avoid appearances of WP:SYNTH, so keeping them separate but cross-referencing sounds good to me. Until an expert can clear up the case with sources. Sorry for the repeated crossing out of my opinion, but that's a confusing case. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Ngendei, the most common form, and keep. The Pears Encyclopaedia of Myths and Legends Savill (1978) gives Ngendi (Fiji) various attributes: Fertility god, taught how to use fire, rules the dead, supports the world, causes earthquakes, mother was a stone. The Witches' God Janet Farrar, Stewart Farrar (2012) adds that some say he created the world and people, comets are his children, he is half snake, half man. A little book of serpents by Yvonne Aburrow (2012) repeats some of these and gives the alterative spelled Ngendel. The 1983 Ngendei Seismic Refraction Experiment created data used to study oceanic crustal and upper mantle anisotropy. Presumably it was named after him. And a Google images search gives a rich trove of references to Disney's use of the concept. There is enough to demonstrate notability, and I think more than would fit into an overview. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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