Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Jones (Louisiana politician)

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The result was keep. Obvious non-local refs. (non-admin closure) —azuki (talk · contribs · email) 23:41, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Jones (Louisiana politician)

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Despite some coverage in the local newspapers, which is to be expected for someone seeking lower-level political office, this does not pass GNG or WP:POLITICIAN. Superintendent, school board member--no, not notable by our standards. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. The refs supplied are either of very local interest only or inadmissible. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'd have !voted for deletion had there been nothing but local coverage of the BESE race. However, Googling reveals that Jones was also in charge of Task Force Pelican, commanding National Guard operations in Louisiana for the first month following Hurricane Katrina, including the evacuation of the Superdome and the Morial Convention Center. Jones appears throughout James A. Wombwell's "Army Support During the Hurricane Katrina Disaster", published by the US Army's Combat Studies Institute Press. The WP article doesn't mention Jones's role in this, but the identity of the TF Pelican Jones with the Jones of this article is shown at this Times-Picayune article. Among this, the Louisiana Life piece on Jones as Louisianan of the Year—Education, and the coverage of the BESE election, I think we've got enough material to satisfy WP:GNG. — Ammodramus (talk) 04:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Ammodramus, I appreciate the work, though I disagree--the Times Picayune article only spends a few sentences on him, and actually doesn't say anything about him other than saying he was in charge of one operation. The MyNewOrleans article is exactly like the kind of coverage decent citizens get in local publications. My neighbor was the Montgomery Citizen of the Year a few years ago, but I wouldn't dream of writing up his article. Anyway, Louisiana Life is a subsection of New Orleans Magazine, which is basically one of those fancy-looking local publications (not an RS) that live on advertising and non-journalistic, mainly promotional writing, so we shouldn't put much stock in the award or the writing about it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, I wasn't citing the Times-Picayune article in support of Jones's notability. Since Gary Jones is a fairly common name, I was making sure that the Jones of our discussion was the same person as the Jones of Task Force Pelican. The T-P article provides that proof. Given that, I think that the Wombwell piece establishes notability. Note, too, that Jones was a brigadier general, which appears to satisfy criterion (3) at WP:MILPEOPLE. — Ammodramus (talk) 22:40, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but the Wombwell book is not an independent publication and can thus not really add toward notability, which is why I didn't talk about it. Drmies (talk) 23:07, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What makes "fancy-looking local publications" unreliable? Don't they have editors? If I looked at the number of corrections that the New York Times each day, I would assume they were the unreliable one. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Passes WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN, rock solid references. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- No, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), not until you explain to our audience how he meets any of the requirements in POLITICIAN, for instance. He is obviously not a "Major local political figure", and it sure looks like he is "Just being an elected local official". As for the GNG, you know as well as everyone else that his coverage is completely local, and consists of the kind of run-of-the-mill coverage that local newspapers write about. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just passing through this discussion, but one thing that caught my eye is the assertion that local coverage somehow negates GNG. It doesn't. Local coverage can be used to show notability. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't say that. Please look more carefully at the context. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Info on page is verifiable with sufficient sourcing to pass WP:BASIC.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agreed. Passes WP:BASIC. Additionally, the ongoing Common Core debate in Louisiana makes him relevant/noteworthy. Bmhs823 (talk) 06:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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