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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Several established editors have provided sources supporting the existence and notability of this entity.  Sandstein  05:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Galmudug

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I have proposed this article to be deleted in accordance with the Wiki guidelines. The article portrays a new state within a state. But when you search around the internet (i.e Google.com) the first article that shows up on "Galmudug", is this one. It seems to me that these breakaway regions are popping up everywhere but with no real leadership and it looks to me, after careful examining this article that it does not meet Wikipedia standards nor does it seem to portray reality on the ground. It represents an article on a state that has control over its territory though there's little mention of such entity in Somalia other than that of Somaliland and Puntland.

I believe this article was made up purely to support a individuals course. 26oo (talk) 02:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Galmudug is an autonomous region in Somalia. THIS IS A FACT. I read the news on Puntland, Somaliland, and Somalia virtually every day, and Galmudug repeatedly comes up. Galmudug, admittedly, controls little outside of South Galkayo. To VERIFY FOR YOURSELF, however, that THIS IS TRUE, simply search in GOOGLE NEWS 'Galmudug.' You will get SHITLOADS OF STUFF VERIFYING THAT GALMUDUG IS A VIABLE, ACTIVE ADMINISTRATION ON THE GROUND. The same cannot be said for Awdalland or SSC, however, which really only exist on paper (SSC does not have much administrative structures, is mostly just a political movement/militia; Awdalland does not really have militia or structures on the ground as Somaliland pretty much exerts full control over its west). Galmudug IS ON THE GROUND, HAS STRUCTURES, but is weak and limited to a few settlements around Galkayo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgog1 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Galmudug is an autonomous region in Somalia. A weak administration to be sure, but an administration all the same. More such autonomous polities are starting to pop up in the country because the new national draft constitution allows them under a federal system of governance, wherein power is shared between the central government and autonomous regional entities. The Galmudug administration is already mentioned on the Somalia page, as well as the States and regions of Somalia article. It is also recognized by other autonomous states in Somalia as such, including Puntland (c.f. Galmudug Accord [1]). Middayexpress (talk) 21:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This does appear to be the de facto governing block in this region, if not officially recognized as such by various nations. This seems to be constantly referred to as the "Galmudug state" by many sources. [2][3][4][5][6]--Oakshade (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Middayexpress and Oakshade. The fact that this article is the first result in a Google search is meaningless, as the same applies to any number of topics (e.g. "peanut"). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Galmudug has no control over Galkacyo nor its own territory. It was created by people in the diaspora. I suggest you search (in Google.com) the following things; Ximan and Xeeb, Awdal State, Ras Aseyr. You will see that these are "states within states" as well. [1][2] Is anyone allowed to create there own state and get publicity through wikipedia? Ok, I call mine, WallaceLand, I will tell people I own the southern part of Milton Keynes26oo (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 00:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are not blogs, I urge you to check again.[3][4] If you would bother to read the articles and my post it's not suppose to read "Galmudug" but rather show you that these so-called states are only in name and have no diplomatic relationships outside Somalia and no influence inside Somalia. Its existence is only in name so far. Another article I would want to refer you to is Ximan iyo xeeb. This clearly shows another article which is being build up from nothing. Also I have checked the The World Factbook and found that "Galmudug" was not mentioned under 'Government'.[5] I also looked at the United Nations profile and found no other information. It looks to me it's rather individuals which are calling themselves Galmudug State. 26oo (talk) 23:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)26oo (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding Ximan and Xeeb Ximan and Xeeb is a LEGITIMATE administration controlling territory in central Somalia. The reason you may not have been able to verify its existence is that XIMAN AND XEEB, UNLIKE THE OTHER 'STATES,' IS ALLIED TO AL-SHABAAB. This means that it gets lumped in with Al-Shabaab and most of the stuff written about it is in Somali. It is not allied with the TFG. Also, Ras Asayr is not a NAME ONLY place. There is an active revolt happening in Puntland; Puntland acknowledges this: http://www.raxanreeb.com/?p=95262 . That said, my guess is that Puntland WILL suppress Ras Asayr. I doubt Ras Asayr will be able to secede from Puntland, just like Puntland negotiated to have Maakhir come back into the fold. The situation in Somalia IS EXTREMELY COMPLEX. Some states are name only (Awdalland, Azania for the most part), others are newly declared with few structures, just militia, (Ras Asayr and SSC), others exist and have administrations but are extremely small and weak (Ximan iyo Xeeb, Galmudug). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgog1 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm afraid that first link [8] you footnoted above doesn't mention Galmudug, and the second link, Somalilandpress [9], is most certainly a blog (a self-published source). It is, however, very appropriate that you should bring up the UN, since the UN itself officially acknowledges the existence of the Galmudug administration and actually invited it, alongside Puntland and other regions in Somalia, to participate in a consultative meeting just last month. Middayexpress (talk) 07:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For the third time, it's not suppose to mention "Galmudug", it's suppose to show anyone can declare a state and seems to have done so in this case and others. SomalilandPress is a reputable press-outlet in Somalia. It is a news outlet and you are just making stuff up. This is rather annoying. I think the third party, monitoring this conversation will see to that. To further prove my case I will I urge you to look at the citation in the Somaliland article and you will see that [39] is an article from the supposed blog.[6] You have your facts wrong. The United Nations invitation to individuals doesn't mean it recognises the existence of that entity. Taiwan is not recognised by the UN and has been invited to UN-affiliated organisations.[7][8] 26oo (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, SomalilandPress is unfortunately a blog i.e. a self-published source ("the Government friendly SomalilandPress blog" [10]). As such, pointing to its use on other pages in Wikipedia only suggests that it should be removed from those pages too. Further, that Taiwan analogy is irrelevant; unlike Taiwan, Galmudug does not seek recognition as or consider itself an independent nation (nor does any region in Somalia, except of course for Somaliland) nor is it regarded as such by any polity in the world. I meant that the UN itself officially acknowledges the existence of the Galmudug administration as a region in Somalia, not as an independent nation. That is why I wrote that the UN "actually invited it, alongside Puntland and other regions in Somalia, to participate in a consultative meeting just last month". Bottom line, this deletion case is about the notability of Galmudug as a topic for a stand-alone Wikipedia article -- something which the other editors above have already established with little difficulty. The converse cannot be said. Middayexpress (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No it's not. First you said it doesn't exist, now you claim lack of notability? For a state-level administration? What is wrong with you? Ingoman (talk) 17:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Somalis Please

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It's a fun trick that you have learned to use the Wikipedia's insane deletion policies in order to get articles about other clans stuff deleted, and I have to admit I do find it amusing, but can we give it a rest please? You guys are embarrassing yourselves. Ingoman (talk) 19:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ http://www.sunatimes.com/view.php?id=975
  2. ^ http://somalilandpress.com/somalia-the-new-semi-state-within-the-semi-state-21852
  3. ^ http://somalilandpress.com/somalia-the-new-semi-state-within-the-semi-state-21852
  4. ^ http://www.sunatimes.com/view.php?id=975
  5. ^ https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/so.html
  6. ^ http://somalilandpress.com/somalia-the-new-semi-state-within-the-semi-state-21852
  7. ^ http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asiapacific/news/article_1474388.php/WHO_confirms_Taiwan_invited_to_World_Health_Assembly
  8. ^ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6913020.stm
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