Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GOMTV Global Starcraft II League

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The result was keep. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 03:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GOMTV Global Starcraft II League

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Non-notable video game tournament. No sources, cannot verify. Probable spam. (Contested speedy.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 19:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 00:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Starcraft II. Shacknews Gamesradar are the best sources I can find, and are of the "X have announced..." variety, i.e. press releases. Since it's an "official" league, and not some fan-created thing, inclusion in the main article seems appropriate. Marasmusine (talk) 11:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a video game contest would have to be pretty darn special to be covered in an encyclopedia, and I'm not seeing that here. As noted above, there isn't much one can verifiably say other than it exists. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Keep This tournament is very famous in South Korea. If you can read Korean, you will find thousands of news articles.(link) It is broadcast live to 180 countries via internet, and 770 thousands of people watched recently the live match of round of 64 participated by Lim Yo-Hwan. --JeongAhn (talk) 01:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- We should not expect readers of English Wikipedia to have to read Korean to verify the facts about a subject. Show us something in English that proves your assertion. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, but I don't want to spend my time to search internet sources written in English. But I suggest you to search that with the keyword of 'GSL2'. In Korean Wikipedia, they even have articles about each seasons(1, 2, 3) in addition to the main article. Korean wikipedians always struggle to find reliable sources written in different laguages. Why not in en-wp? --JeongAhn (talk) 06:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, since you're the one making the case that this should not be deleted, I'd think you would want to take the time. Having said that, the fact that articles exist on this on Korean WP does bolster a case toward notability. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - As a note, non-English sources are just fine, though please do look at NOENG. It would be very helpful if the sources were added to the article and had English translations for the small parts that are being referenced. Hobit (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to GOM Player, who hosted the event. I can see it being kept, and I wouldn't oppose a keep, but it needs to be expanded and referenced first, even if most of the references are not in English (although English references would always be preferred, per WP:NONENG.--hkr Laozi speak 08:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep AGFing that the Korean sources are as strong as claimed. Hobit (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It seems to me that the only reason this deletion is up for discussion is due to a biased view against e-sports. Considering this is the largest and highest paid tournament in all of e-sports, even considering it's deletion is tantamount to a biased view. --Opl3sa (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC) — Opl3sa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Imagine the World Poker Tour for a video game that may be the most popular e-sport in the world. This league and these tournaments are new, but already a significant presence in South Korean culture and growing in popularity in the West. This is the stage where the best gamers in the world compete. By comparison MLG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Gaming devotes a 1st prize purse of 5-6000$ for 2-3 different games. This tournament offers $87,500 to its winner every month. There deserves to be a stand alone entry for a league with tournaments of this scale.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL

http://www.1up.com/news/blizzard-signs-exclusive-broadcast-deal

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496 --http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2006063 --http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65052

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/30971-BoxeRmania_in_GSL_causes_overload —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.122.66 (talk) 06:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC) — 76.232.122.66 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Merge to Starcraft II. Sourcing provided may prove enough to spin out an article in the future, but most of the coverage given by all here are merely slightly better than press releases. No bias against article spinout in the future, as it's likely to get the coverage needed sometime down the road. --Teancum (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you been able to evaluate the Korean sources? If those are just press releases I'll certainly change my !vote, but my understanding is that they are fairly strong. Hobit (talk) 00:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Keep This is easily the most important tournament in e-sports today. With the launch of StarCraft II and the South Koreans leading the charge in e-sports (Profressional StarCraft is considered a national sport alongside Soccer), this tournament is the continuation of one of the most recognised scenes in pro gaming today. Attracting the most decorated talent from the previous tournaments and eclipsing any other tournament in the world including the largest Western Multi-Game tournament prizes, at an astounding $87,000+ for the winner per season, this tournament deserves it's own page at Wikipedia alongside the afformentioned. The page is ripe for expansion with the information available in the impressive links above. --- I specifically searched WP for this page expecting to find information on how the tournament will be structured once players start to be seeded come the new year (information I cannot translate myself but must be available somewhere). I was shocked to find the page was up for deletion. Apologies if I haven't quite got the etiquette of how to add to discussion here, this is the first time I've felt I had something compelling to add at WP. --PixelCody (talk) 01:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC) — PixelCody (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep. Room for expansion, but more than sufficiently notable. StuartH (talk) 12:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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