Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fukah

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 23:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Fukah

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NN per WP:GEOLAND. This is apparently unpopulated despite the claim in the article and the map - this source seems to indicate there isn't anything within 3 km of the location. MSJapan (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

That source, when you zoom in, indicates a town exactly where it says there is one.--Oakshade (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but GEOLAND has exceptions for census tracts and suchlike wrt legal recognition, where if it's not recognized, it's not presumed keepable. As I am unsure of that, I've asked for some assistance to try to figure it out. Just FYI, at the point we're at now, it's going to be a no consensus keep. MSJapan (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Per GEOLAND, probably as just "Keep." --Oakshade (talk) 23:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:42, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

• Keep - Looks like a real population center to me. Even has its own train station. A g-map search in just the Latin characters, which was all that was needed in this case, is quicker than starting an AfD. --Oakshade (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

• That's what I did in the first place, but I only used the map mode - I figured it would show something more than what it did. [1] may not be RS, but it says it has only 154 people, and I can't find anything on its legal recognition as required by WP:GEOLAND (which excludes maps for purposes of notability, by the way). I also got more hits for "Fouka" vs. "Fukah", so I think it's a transliteration problem. I'll keep looking, but I'm not at the point where I see this as withdrawable yet. MSJapan (talk) 04:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Why not? It's a populated legally recognizable place. Your full rationale was that it's "apparently unpopulated[sic]" and that a map source "seems to indicate there isn't anything within 3 km of the location." Both have been proven to be wrong. Why is this AfD still going? --Oakshade (talk) 04:58, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Again, WP:GEOLAND excludes maps aside from WP:V, so I need a bit of time to go through this new stuff and see what I get. I'm not sure of the RS on what I did find yet. MSJapan (talk) 05:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

So despite your entire deletion rationale being wrong, you're keeping this AfD going because you refuse to believe the satellite imagery (which is not a map, by the way) showing this is a distinct population center is real? --Oakshade (talk) 05:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

There's a distinction between WP:V and WP:N. MSJapan (talk) 06:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

So which is the rationale for keeping this AfD going now? Do you feel the existence of this town is not verified (WP:V) or do you feel it's not notable (WP:N)? --Oakshade (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, thought it was clear that it is V and is not N. I thought I was going to find something when I saw an article on a Fouka Bridge in Mersa Matrouh, but the village isn't mentioned, and apparently there's Fouka Bay, as well. I've got to dig more, but since I can't figure out if it's a census tract or not, I'm still on the fence on this. At the very least, it's not at the right title. MSJapan (talk) 06:51, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems sufficient that the Egyptian government put a post office there. Google gives the phone number as +20 46 4350026; perhaps someone should call them to see if it's really there </sarcasm> Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I can check, but you're going to have to wait until I get the requisite international phone card, oh, and learn Arabic. Can you wait that long, or should I trust your judgment? :) MSJapan (talk) 23:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

So now you're keeping this AfD going because you think there's a conspiracy of all satellite operators, Egypt Post [2] and all map makers to make this population center up? --Oakshade (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

• Keep real place, now apparently verified is notable per WP:GEOLAND; I suggest the nom withdraw it since the nomination statement is obviously false. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
• Withdrawn - meets the guidelines, but it will need a rename to Fouka. MSJapan (talk) 03:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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