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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fuel Cell Bus Club[edit]

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This article refers to a defunct organization that may not even have been notable in its time. None of the cited references are still available, and it has been years since any substantial contribution has been made to the article. Dan Griscom (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep These were trial public transport projects that successfully completed. The defunct websites shouldn't worry us. I think for history, we should preserve it, in case fuel cell transport becomes more common early pioneering programs will be notable. Information about the projects here.[1] Some updated history here.[2] When searching on the project names found other sources. I've updated the article so it's apparent the projects are completed. I think they should be kept together as one article not separate articles since they trialed the same technology and were done in co-ordination sharing data and partners. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 06:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The defunct websites would worry me even if not defunct, as they are not independent of the subject. That said, such a project strikes me as the kind of thing that is likely to be notable, and could probably be reliably sourced. Maybe it belongs under another title? --Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:GNG. this link provided by Green Cardamom looks like a blog or non-independent source at best. we need third party coverage like major newspapers which is sorely lacking. LibStar (talk) 06:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Some sources follow.
  • Mason, Deirdre. "EU fuel cell bus trial extended transport for London Britain--low emissions public transport." International News Services Mar. 2006. Infotrac Newsstand. Web. 19 Nov. 2013.
  • "TOWARDS TOMORROW." Sun-Herald [Sydney, Australia] 9 Nov. 2003: 33. Infotrac Newsstand. Web. 19 Nov. 2013.
  • Peter Hoffmann. "The Hydrogen Power Rush". The World & I, October 2002
  • "Iceland: Long days, hot nights - MENTAL FLOSS". Star-Ledger (Newark, NJ) - Sunday, July 30, 2006
  • Kris Christen. "Europe's CUTE project for hydrogen-fuel-cell buses deemed a success", Environmental Science & Technology. 8/1/2006, Vol. 40 Issue 15, p4541-4541.
  • "UK trails fuel cell buses", Power Engineer. Feb/Mar 2004, Vol. 18 Issue 1
  • Maack, Maria H.; Skulason, Jon Bjorn. "Implementing the hydrogen economy", Journal of Cleaner Production. Jan 2006, Vol. 14 Issue 1, p52-64. 13p. DOI: 10.1016/j.jclepro.2005.05.027.
  • Petrović, Jelica; Ivković, Ivan; Vujačić, Ivan; Žeželj, Srećko. "POSSIBILITIES OF BUSES ON ALTERNATIVE FUEL IN PUBLIC URBAN TRANSPORT IN BELGRADE", Technological & Economic Development of Economy. 2009, Vol. 15 Issue 1, p78-89.
  • COCKROFT, COLIN J.; OWEN, ANTHONY D. "The Economics of Hydrogen Fuel Cell Buses", Economic Record. Dec 2007, Vol. 83 Issue 263, p359-370. 12p. 10 Charts. DOI: 10.1111/j.1475-4932.2007.00426.x.
  • "EUROPEAN FUEL CELL BUS PROJECT EXTENDED BY ONE YEAR", Clean Air & Environmental Quality. May2006, Vol. 41 Issue 2, p22-22.
  • Maack, Maria; Skulason, Jon. "HOT ROCKS AND HYDROGEN", Power Engineer. Feb2003, Vol. 17 Issue 1, p14.
  • Saxe, M.; Folkesson, A.; Alvfors, P. "Energy system analysis of the fuel cell buses operated in the project: Clean Urban Transport for Europe", Energy. May2008, Vol. 33 Issue 5, p689-711. 23p. DOI: 10.1016/j.energy.2008.01.001.
  • Carvalho, Luís; Mingardo, Giuliano; Van Haaren, Jeroen. "Green Urban Transport Policies and Cleantech Innovations: Evidence from Curitiba, Göteborg and Hamburg", European Planning Studies. Mar2012, Vol. 20 Issue 3, p375-396. 22p. DOI: 10.1080/09654313.2012.651801.
  • Stolzenburg, K.; Tsatsami, V.; Grubel, H. "Lessons learned from infrastructure operation in the CUTE project", International Journal of Hydrogen Energy. Aug2009, Vol. 34 Issue 16, p7114-7124. 11p. DOI: 10.1016/j.ijhydene.2008.06.035
  • Haraldsson, K.; Folkesson, A.; Alvfors, P., "Fuel cell buses in the Stockholm CUTE project—First experiences from a climate perspective", Journal of Power Sources. Aug2005, Vol. 145 Issue 2, p620-631. 12p. DOI: 10.1016/j.jpowsour.2004.12.081.
  • Vidueira, J.M.; Contreras, A.; Veziroglu, T.N. "PV autonomous installation to produce hydrogen via electrolysis, and its use in FC buses", International Journal of Hydrogen Energy. Sep2003, Vol. 28 Issue 9, p927. 11p. DOI: 10.1016/S0360-3199(02)00191-X
  • "Fuel cell buses arrive in London, just Porto to go", Fuel Cells Bulletin. Jan2004, Vol. 2004 Issue 1, p1. 1p. DOI: 10.1016/S1464-2859(04)00039-2.
  • "Conference wraps up CUTE, next programs", Fuel Cells Bulletin. Jul2006, Vol. 2006 Issue 7, p10-10. 1p. DOI: 10.1016/S1464-2859(06)71128-2.
-- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
how many of these sources talk about the trials in detail. they seem mostly science based press, how about something in mainstream press? LibStar (talk) 23:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
These appear to be useful references, but they don't seem to be generally available (in fact most are pretty obscure, and none seem Internet-available). Unless someone with access to them (you?) adds them to the article, indicating why each bolsters the notability of Fuel Cell Bus Club, they don't have any value. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please use WP:REX to verify. Sources don't need to be added to the article for determining the notability of a topic. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 04:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The trials in London were well known being covered for example by the BBC. Bearing in mind especially the extent of the trials, in many parts of the world, they pass for notability and the initiative is one that can suitably have its own article. I am sure it could be expanded. --AJHingston (talk) 10:03, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buffbills7701 16:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Green Cardamom added a long list of references above, but I'm still dubious. None of the titles mentions the topic of the article in question. Four of them mention CUTE, but that just bolsters the notability of a potential CUTE article. Without further evidence that these articles mention Fuel Cell Bus Club, let alone support its notability, I don't understand what place they have in this discussion. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 19:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The projects existed under semi-autonomous control, thus the sources approach them as individual projects within their regions. However the projects were connected, using the same technology and vendors and co-operative sharing of data, it makes sense to group them into a single article, there was an agreement framework that brought them together. The title of the article is a placeholder and less important, renaming can be done if there was consensus for a rename. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 21:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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