Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontier Strip

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After relisting, consensus has developed that the article fails WP:OR and doesn't have proper attribution for copying within Wikipedia. ansh 666 19:47, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frontier Strip[edit]

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The phrase "frontier strip" appears to have been invented solely for this Wikipedia namespace. I can not find any historical or scholarly examples of the phrase "frontier strip" being used in relation to the United States, and as far as I can tell the phrase "frontier strip" does not appear in any of the article's listed references . The small number of Google search hits (regular search, books and scholar) for "frontier strip" appear to be traceable back to this article, with the exception of some references that are clearly about other countries.

In sum, this page's definition of a "frontier strip" is not a recognized grouping of U.S. states. In addition, the general topic is already thoroughly reviewed by American frontier and other state and regional pages. Thomas H. White (talk) 15:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree--it should be deleted. I cannot find any usage. Rjensen (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to something, I'm not sure what, or Merge into American Frontier. Leave no redirect from "Frontier Strip". Looking at newspapers.com, frontier strip seems to be a term occasionally used to describe regions near frontlines of battles, but I agree it doesn't work here. Also, the "Last American Frontier", which is used to in this article, generally refers to Alaska and not this region.Smmurphy^(Talk) 16:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~Rename / Merge~~ - this is a difficult one - as this article dates back to 2005 making Wikipedia->source contamination quite an issue. I have found some sources referring to these as "Frontier Strip". Post 2005: [1] [2] [3] [4]. But I am unable to find older sources using this name for Texas to Dakota.Icewhiz (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Modified to delete as it seems most the contents are copy pssted from other wiki articles.Icewhiz (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Rename- Unfortunately this article has been around for a long time and people have put a lot of work into it. However, it seems to be a made-up name for geographic region. I think the easier thing to do would be to move the page to American Great Plains. Alternately candidates for merges would be American Frontier (as above) or Great Plains (although this article includes Canada too, which is why I prefer the rename).--Rusf10 (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How about renaming to History of the Great Plains or History of the American Great Plains (I think the former is better right now, since American Great Plains redirects to Great Plains). This would be a minor repurposing, with frontier strip replaced with great plains in the text and the image perhaps replaced with File:Map of the Great Plains.png. The description section doesn't really have anything not in Great Plains, and this page would, I think, be better kept separate but referred to in the history section of that article. Smmurphy^(Talk)

While most of the article deals with history, some things would not fit into an article titled "History of". That's why I'd prefer renaming to "American Great Plains" with a hatnote at the top going to the existing "Great Plains" article.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but American Great Plains already exists (is a redirect to Great Plains). As I meant to say, the non-history stuff from this article could be merged into that article, except it is already there, so it can just be trimmed in this article. Smmurphy^(Talk) 16:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge each section into the history section of a relevant state or region article such as American West or Great Plains. See Below The edit history of this article is eye-opening: The original is nothing more than a list of states accompanied by an unsourced and speculative explanation. A later revision attempts to attribute it to the US Census, but this is also fails to support the grouping of the states. Everything else seems to be a mishmash of events that occurred within or around this group of states, but there is still nothing that ties it together as a cohesive region. –dlthewave ☎ 21:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus yet on a possible renaming or merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 03:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

merge a nice piece of OR, which of course has no place in WP. Jytdog (talk) 05:41, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I think there is consensus for merging, but not on a target. So the question is: where do you think it should be merged? ansh 666 05:49, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Most of the historical information appears to have been copy-and-pasted from other Wiki articles by User:Reddi in June and July 2009 without any references or attribution. I copied the article into my userspace at User:Dlthewave/Frontier Strip Draft and removed everything that I could verify as copied, just to see what's left. If deleted, I don't think we would lose very much that isn't covered elsewhere. –dlthewave ☎ 21:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Is a historical concept; Glad i caught this so get the wikimarkup before any deletion; Maybe move it somewhere else; Sad, not the WP of yesterday ... just another reason not to contribute much anymore; Enjoy --J. D. Redding 15:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, most of your contributions will be retained in the articles from which they were copied. –dlthewave ☎ 16:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, but destroy the history; Cheers --J. D. Redding 20:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Editors are reminded that if content is merged a redirect must remain for attribution. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:50, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If this is OR, which nobody seems to dispute, then Wikipedia has no place for it, per WP:NOR. Sandstein 10:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOR. --J04n(talk page) 14:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To discuss whether merging or deletion is preferred.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TonyBallioni (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Over half of this article was copy-and-pasted from other Wikipedia articles, so there would be no point in merging. Most of the remainder is either not suitable for merging (climate and political data) or already covered elsewhere. –dlthewave ☎ 18:14, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete is where I land too. Looks like violates WP:OR and that seems to be consensus. I would love to be wrong.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:08, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete After someone pointing out that this is just a copy and paste job, I have to change to delete. There's nothing worth saving here.--Rusf10 (talk) 01:14, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.