Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontier Airlines fleet

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The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frontier Airlines fleet[edit]

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When all the non-notable fleet list is ignored it is a duplicate of the information at parent article Frontier Airlines. The non-notable list has been removed previously as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information but it has been restored again. Listing individual non-notable aircraft is not encyclopedic and best left to enthusiast sites MilborneOne (talk) 22:56, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So how is it that the the Delta Air Lines fleet page can stay? It looks like another list to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.47.137 (talk) 01:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Incubate I don't know what a "non-notable fleet" is, this sounds like a content issue; and I don't see indiscriminate information. Fleets are routinely discussed in articles about airlines, and this article is marked as part of Frontier Airlines. I do have a problem with possibly hundreds of missing references, and no reason at this point to think that this problem will ever be corrected. I propose moving this file to the incubator to provide an opportunity to add references. Unscintillating (talk) 19:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment sorry non-notable fleet refers to the listing of individual aircraft rather than types of aircraft (the Delta article refered to by another editor is a list of types not individual airccraft), it is rare that an individual aircraft is notable enough to be mentioned, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Registrations. MilborneOne (talk) 20:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:N#NNC shows that "notability" applies to articles as a whole, "prominence" is used in WP:DUE/content issues. I've not before seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Registrations, it is not marked even as an essay, but in other places it both says that it is a guideline and also says that it is an essay. Even then, I don't see that it addresses notability issues to be considered at an AfD. Unscintillating (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the Southwest Airlines page has some individual aircraft listed under the special liveries section: Southwest_airlines#Special_Liveries - why is this list not considered a non-notable fleet? It is listing individual aircraft as opposed to a type of aircraft. Basically every Frontier Airlines plane has a "special livery" since every one is different, which is why each aircraft is individually listed on the Frontier Airlines fleet article. That is very similar to the individual aircraft listed on the Southwest Airlines special livery section. That section on the SWA page even has airplane registration numbers listed with links to photos of the planes themselves. That is not unlike how the Frontier Airlines fleet page has plane registrations, name, and a place for photos. In regards to Unscintillating saying the article having "possibly hundreds of missing references," it looks like an editor placed a reference at the top of the "Current Frontier Airlines tail art" section that links to a webpage on the Frontier Airlines website that verifies the legitimacy of the article's content. 69.166.47.137 (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is policy noted in WP:V that readers of Wikipedia can verify the facts in articles. If these facts cannot be verified, then the material should not be in Wikipedia. See WP:BURDEN. Are you saying that every fact in this article is sourced by that one reference? Unscintillating (talk) 12:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the tail art segment can be sourced by one reference. Or would you rather have every single tail referenced to the same page, generating 70+ references? Why don't you take a look at that reference yourself? http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/fun-stuff/animal-tales-continued.do 69.166.47.137 (talk) 21:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I count 57 photos of tail art on that page, the fleet seems to be closer to 100. Unscintillating (talk) 23:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like an editor has recently referenced almost all the planes with individual links. They even included the older, retired planes, which Frontier still maintains images for on their website. I believe that link I gave you above only has the current fleet which is why you only counted 57. 69.166.47.137 (talk) 01:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems relevant and sourced now. Dennis Brown (talk) 13:31, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is not a fork, it is a sub-article of Frontier Airlines, pretty clearly added so that specialized detail would not bog down the readability of the main article. Nicely done and a credit to Wikipedia. Carrite (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I was thinking I had opened a delete, but this article is so well sourced and full of data, it is hard to argue a merge. I suppose all the data means something to someone Jtbobwaysf (talk) 13:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.