Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Airs

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh Airs[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:N. Possible ATD would be a redirect, possibly to Flanders & Swann. Boleyn (talk) 16:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:24, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 17:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 17:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This was a revue in Brighton. How long did it run? If it were notable, there should be coverage of it in newspaper and magazine reviews. I don't think a redirect would be helpful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Insuffecient RS - lacks notability Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; it was a review in Brighton, but it was a review that was pivotal in the careers of Flanders and Swann, who are one of the best-known comedy musical duos of their era. The problem with merge is where do you merge it to? To Flanders and Swan, or to Laurier Lister, both of which are notable, and both have claims of "ownership" of this review. Two of the songs in Fresh Airs made it to Flanders and Swann's drop of a hat, which was hugely well-known in its day - to the extent that it was being taught in schools when I was a kid. This is actually quite a major bit of British culture here. Elemimele (talk) 10:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

in terms of sources, it's hard to do this sort of stuff as it belongs to the pre-internet era. But "Fresh Airs" was mentioned in the Independent obituary of Donald Swann [1] and also the New York Times obituary of Flanders [2], although admittedly in passing. A recording of "Fresh Airs" from 1955 is still available (Hat-trick CD4 bonus items) [3][4] and it is mentioned in other sites too: [5]. "Fresh Airs" is minor compared to At_the_Drop_of_a_Hat, which is another merge-target (should the decision be merge), but I still think it's a significant stepping-stone on an undoubtedly notable path. Elemimele (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Elemimele, who makes a persuasive case here. Given the track record, its highly unlikely WP:BEFORE was even considered, let alone conducted. In terms of sources, Fresh Airs is also mentioned here as a key component of the works of Flanders and Swann prior to At the Drop of a Hat. And the sources provided above get us some of the way there. In summary, weak nomination, strong keep case, its probably not something that can be merged elsewhere, arguably notable in its own right, and its the combined work of multiple notable creatives. That's enough for me. St★lwart¹¹¹ 04:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Elemimele.4meter4 (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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