Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freiwilligen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Europäische Freiwillige. Once there is nothing left to merge, please simply redirect the article. NW (Talk) 19:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Freiwilligen[edit]

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slightly expanded dicdef which already has a wiktionary article. Fails WP:NOT#DICTIONARY. Ironholds (talk) 01:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a dictionary definition.

The page is specific to all of the Freiwilligen divisions from the German Army in WW2 and has a link to them all.

It also links to the pages which are separate at the moment on both sections of german freiwillege volunteers

Chaosdruid (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you're using it to refer to a particular type of unit, you need to show that the term was used in multiple, reliable independent sources - see WP:GNG. Ironholds (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so am I referencing the usage in general or specifically ?

For example the names of most of the units - "SS Freiwillige" can be ref'd from books/pubs about the units; or the use in general society ie from historical docs talking about them as a whole

Chaosdruid (talk) 01:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neither, you need to provide coverage of the term, not just of the units with it in their name. Example; say there was a universe where the military unit "Division" doesn't have independent coverage. Providing references for the 1st US Airborne Division isn't something that will help it pass WP:GNG. Ironholds (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently rather a list than an article about a term and certainly referring to an important topic that - as one might expect - is already - at least to some extent - covered elsewhere at Foreign volunteers, Europäische Freiwillige and List_of_Waffen_SS_units#Waffen_SS_Foreign_Legions. The article Waffen-SS itself had once a section on Foreign volunteers and conscripts[1] that may or may not be be worth studying in more detail. So I'd say delete (or maybe redirect to Europäische Freiwillige) this good-faith attempt and improve elsewhere.--Tikiwont (talk) 20:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TO be honest at this point I feel like giving up ... there are supposed to be three other processes attempted before AFD and the use of TW has caused this to be prodded and then AFD wiithout even a suggestion of any of the other routes until Tikiwont.

Put it into my space (option 2) rather than AFD (option 4)

I have a failed graphics card so will be offline for a couple of days - please place it into my sandbox

thanksChaosdruid (talk) 06:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three other processes? What ones? Ironholds (talk) 06:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be discouraged. While familiarizing oneself with the topic and evaluating a merger or redirect is indeed among the steps before an AfD, doing some internal research is also among the steps recommended before article creation. Anyways, I think userfying it so that you can use it as base for working on the existing pages seems to be the way forward, I'd just suggest the title Freiwillige which is the correctly spelled title and already a redirect in main space.--Tikiwont (talk) 07:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 22:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. —AustralianRupert (talk) 13:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect: to Europäische Freiwillige. — AustralianRupert (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect - Everything seems to have been explained above. Skinny87 (talk) 16:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Europäische Freiwillige, though that article needs an English-language name. Nick-D (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If userfying is being considered, as was suggested above by User:Tikiwont, I submit that it might be better to move it to WP:INCUBATE, a new project that is essentially the same as the userfy option, except it's in a central area, in the project namespace. The advantages of incubation over userfication are that more eyes will see it, and that it won't sit there indefinitely out of sight if no improvement occurs.
Thanks for your consideration. -GTBacchus^(talk) 13:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.