Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freeways in metropolitan Detroit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sandstein 07:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Freeways in metropolitan Detroit[edit]

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My reasoning is that this list is redundant on four levels. The first is that there is a template already that binds together the subject matter. The second is that the information here is redundant to the information presented about the list entries in the articles on the freeways themselves. The third is that this list could be merged into the article on Metro Detroit similar to how List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan is being merged into the article on Marquette County, Michigan. And finally, information here is also redundant to the content of the lists and articles on the statewide trunkline highway system. Imzadi1979 (talk) 09:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:58, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The template handles the need of this page. However, I would like to note that a similar page, Metropolitan Phoenix freeways, exists as a GA and it too has a template. ---Dough 48 72 17:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for several reasons. - (1) By WP:SIZE, this list should not be merged into the article Metro Detroit as that article is already at optimum length. Additionally, the Metro Detroit article has numerous navigational boxes (including the referenced navbox template) within the body of the article. I don't think that this is preferred style.
(2) I don't see the redundancy identified as warranting deletion of this list article. This list provides a summary of information not found in the navbox template (e.g., the names of these freeways within the metro area). This summary cannot be provided within the limitations of a navbox.
(3) I like the format of Metropolitan Phoenix freeways and would like to think that this article could eventually be expanded and changed from list format to more prose like that one.
If anyone wants to create an article Transportation in metropolitan Detroit which covered all modes of transport, this list article could be merged into that. Until then, this list has merit to me. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see then the debates concening List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan and merging it into Marquette County, Michigan. The names of the freeways are already in the nav box, and the table here could be summarized briefly in the Metro Detroit article. In that latter article, the nav boxes all should be moved to the bottom of the article, where they'd auto collapse. Visually, this table here would take up no more room than the table on sports teams in Detroit. Imzadi1979 (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 05:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Dude, it's the Motor City. Motown. The freeways of Detroit are notable in and of themselves, each individually and collectively. You can't tell a story about Detroit and the burbs without understanding how the construction of the freeway system changed the area. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Comparing a list of freeways in a top 20 American city to that of Marquette, the second-smallest metro area in the state is ridiculous. If anything this a good example of a disambig for a complex set of freeways in Metro Detroit. That alone makes it impossible to merge into the suggested redirect target as we'd be throwing in local roads with expressways without any clear delineation. Nate • (chatter) 11:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't compare to the city of Marquette, instead I compared the situation of a list based on a geographic area (Metro Detroit vs. a county larger than the state of Rhode Island). Of course at the time I nominated this list, the Marquette County list appeared headed for the recycle bin, but it has been kept. Imzadi1979 (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Freeways metropolitan Detroit are notable in an of themselves. Its a major metropolitan area in the U.S. Should not be compared with small areas Marquette. By WP:SIZE, this list should not be merged into the article Metro Detroit as that article is already at optimum length. There is no need to delete the article, we can work with it, expand it, and include much more. Let's keep it and work from there. See Streets and highways of Chicago and Metropolitan Phoenix freeways. Thanks. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — given the precedent set by keeping the Marquette County highways list, this list should be kept as well. I fear though that some of the commenters here never understood the comparison, using population size as a sole justification to oppose. The comparison was never about size, it was in fact about grouping together a list of highways based on a geographic subdivision of a state. In this example, it was a metropolitan area. In the other example, it was a county, in fact arguably the largest county east of the Mississippi River. Other commenters here singled in on the fact that the City of Detroit is larger than the City of Marquette, never recognizing that the base criteria for these two lists are the metro area and the county, respectively, even though both cities are in fact the largest cities on their respective peninsulas.

Another argument given was that other stuff exists. This discussion was never about what articles existed for Chicago of Phoenix, it was about this list article. The fact that the other lists exist, for now, is irrelevant. Eventually, this article should be expanded to cover the other state highways in and around Detroit, leading to a rename as State highways in Detroit, Michigan or Transportation in Detroit, Michigan if other modes of transport are covered, but that's another discussion for another day.

Another argument is that the freeways listed are notable in and of themselves.That's great. That's also why they all have articles already. Those articles weren't listed here for deletion, but rather the article listing them.

Given the outcome of the List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan AfD, I ask this this AfD be closed now. Imzadi1979 (talk) 18:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.