Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freedom and Autonomy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. People can start a discussion to merge or redirect as needed, or even do so boldly, but that isn't the purpose of AfD and no clear consensus has developed here. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom and Autonomy[edit]

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A list that took part in the regional election in Friuli Venezia Giulia in 2003 and that's it, with 2.5% of the votes and no one elected. No source is present on the page, while the sources on the web only indicate that "Freedom and Autonomy" was the list of Ferruccio Saro and nothing more. It definitely doesn't meet WP:GNG. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, and Italy. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In my view, a political party obtaining 2.8% of the vote is evidently encyclopedic and deserves an article. The article is not sourced, but sources can be easily found. This said, if regrettably there is no consensus on keeping the article, I hope we can at least merge it into 2003 Friuli-Venezia Giulia regional election or Responsible Autonomy, of which Freedom and Autonomy is the precursor, in order to preserve this article's history. --Checco (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Checco, if the sources can be easily found, then find them... Saying that the sources are there and can be found, without then indicating them, makes no sense at all. You should read WP:ORG and WP:GNG, to try to provide more suitable reasons. Merging this page with 2003 Friuli-Venezia Giulia regional election would be quite useless, but merging it with Responsible Autonomy would be unreasonable (the statement "of which Freedom and Autonomy is the precursor" seems to me a lot like a WP:Original Research).--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In my view, in this case the best solution would be the one already chosen in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craftsman-Farmer Alliance, ie the creation of the leader page (Ferruccio Saro) and a merger with it. In this case even more so, since this party has never even obtained a seat and the page is totally devoid of sources. I undertake myself to create the Ferruccio Saro's article.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Checco I would like an answer regarding the sources: are there sources on this party that are not mere mentions in articles regarding Ferruccio Saro? Because if they don't exist, I don't see the use of keeping autonomous a page like this one.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I understand the recommendation to create a reference to the Ferruccio Saro page, however, this seems to have been a short-lived "movement" that gets only passing mention on that page. And again there isn't a page for this movement in the IT wikipedia, which gives us an idea of how important it is locally. No sources found. Lamona (talk) 03:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – with Responsible Autonomy Braganza (talk) 05:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Checco and Braganza: just one question: this list has no connection with Responsible Autonomy, why did you propose to merge with it? In my view this page can be also deleted, but in the case of merger, wouldn't it be more logical to merge it with its founder, Giuseppe Ferruccio Saro?--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 13:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
both were pro-Tondo civic lists but yeah this is possibility too Braganza (talk) 13:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But Renzo Tondo has never joined this list in any form, as far as I know. Indeed Freedom and Autonomy was founded to support the candidacy of Giuseppe Saro.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 14:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I'd like to see more consensus on a Merge or Redirect target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the 2003 election as suggested above. Beyond that, maybe to a list of Italian political parties. Oaktree b (talk) 02:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.