Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred Scarf

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Scarf

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I'm not sure what is the least impressive about this individual, his career as an entrepreneur, philanthropist or phone sex operator. While he seems to have received some coverage, I don't think he reaches Wikipedia's standards for notability. I initially PROD'd this article but the tag was removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:26, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: It probably doesn't meet WP:GNG and it's heavily WP:PROMO. Side note, I'm blown away that reference #4 is self-referential. It references his own wiki page! -- Bob drobbs (talk) 03:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 03:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Rated 4.5 stars on app stores, Stop Guessing is available widely on app stores." "Scarf moved up to San Francisco and started dancing at clubs." "Fred worked as a part time phone sex operator." ~~Delete~~: even if he's notable, the article is WP:TNT material. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just read TNT and I agree. The page started bad and just got worse. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have considered all of you comments on this article and would like to know what else I need to provide to remove the deletion request for this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyemedora (talk • contribs) 17:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Scarf have been noted on CNN heroes, developed applications and has artistic contributions. We have used Advocate article, CNN interviews and Youtube coverage as references, removed anything on the article that promotes self referential and self promotion. Made revisions to make the article more neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyemedora (talk • contribs) 17:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyemedora: When you say that "we have used", who is "we"? Do you have some sort of WP:COI in terms of this article? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No COI, I mean I have used, valid references and citations for this article to be published accordingly and not be requested for deletion. I made all the statement neutral and deleted promotional sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyemedora (talk • contribs) 21:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This man has had an interesting career—he founded 5 different businesses and organizations, became a model, was a "phone sex operator", and even dropped a single called "Manwhore"–but he just fails WP:GNG, lacks WP:SIGCOV and secondary sources, and the article is wholly spammy WP:PROMO content. There's a possibility that there may but secondary sources out there, but the article needs to be TNT'd because its damaged beyond repair. Waddles 🗩 🖉 04:02, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@WaddlesJP13, Bob drobbs, and Liz: I put the bare links into ref tags (with a script so titles are empty, I'm not putting too much effort into this unless notability is established) so now more links show up in the reference section. Besides CNN there's also Huffington Post and Jweekly and Bay Sunday – Fred Scarf, CEO, Earigami (01/10/16) from KPIX CBS SF Bay Area. I struck my vote above and for now I'm neutral: the article is still a mess but perhaps he would meet the notability guideline. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis, I am a little stunned that you spent some of your valuable time on Wikipedia polishing up this, well, let's leave it at "this". Kyemedora should be grateful. I still think this guy is not notable by Wikipedia's standards. We have illustrious professors and widely published academics who get their articles deleted for a lack of notability. Those are losses I agonize about, not a wannabe entrepreneur phone sex operator who released a single called "Manwhore". I don't think his biography adds much to this global knowledge resource we call Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Don't worry, I just pressed one button. (that script is unmaintained btw so I don't recommend installing it) We have many articles about trivial subjects, if the media report on it it's notable. That's not up to us. Jweekly is J. The Jewish News of Northern California, Advocate is The Advocate (LGBT magazine) and together with the other sources I'm afraid Fred may clear the bar for notability.. but if he does only just. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis thank you. Let me know if there is anything else I can update for the deletion discussion to be lifted. I appreciate all of your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyemedora (talk • contribs) 14:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not there yet. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dispute, Fred Scarf has contributions in charities and made a career from modeling and music. Let's be considerate of his contributions. Let me know how I can be successful with this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyemedora (talk • contribs) 13:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyemedora: his contributions don't matter. We have articles for mass murderers and nobodies while we are missing articles for scientists who have discovered cancer treatments. As a general rule, all that matters is whether reliable sources have written about him. There are a few other factors (like being responsible for works that reliable sources have written about) but it's mostly just that. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.