Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Cipolla

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Cipolla[edit]

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Article about a non-notable media personality created by an obvious WP:COI account. He's worked for a few notable media outlets, but not in a notable role. The article says he was the afternoon news anchor on WNBC (the radio station), but from what I'm seeing calling him an anchor is a stretch. It does not appear he had his own show, he just read the news during someone else's show. Rusf10 (talk) 02:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 05:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Given timeframe, you might argue there could be pre-internet sources out there...but if there were enough to make a person notable, you'd expect there to be at least some reviews of the memoir they published in the internet-era. Not so much. So I'm not hopeful about getting adequate secondary sourcing for this. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lacking supporting evidence of actual notability. -The Gnome (talk) 05:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep'~~ A couple of searches quickly brought up 3 WP:RS articles from which I did a little sourcing of the outlines of his career. Editors willing to search will readily find more, but I think this now meets WP:BASIC.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC) Withdrawing, I am NOT persuaded that a source from outside the NYC media market is required, but I do think we need either an additional INDEPTH profile or evidence of IMPACT. Some journalists get used as a model for a film or play, some get extensive mash notes in the texts of notable memoirs, some are the authors of impactful, widely-cited journalism. Cipolla appears to be a very popular on-air broadcaster. feel free to ping me to reconsider if anyone has a well-founded reasons for arguing keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A mere mention of a person in an RS is not indepth coverage. I can't see all the sources you added, but this one looks particular bad [1] They wrote a few sentences about him, that's not significant coverage as required by WP:BASIC. He also is not the subject of this article either [2]. Just because an article contains his name does not make it a good source to support notability.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first article that you object to provides several details about his career, and the New York Daily News is a reliable source for facts about journalists working at other New York News media; the article Tale of two Franks no Chip off the old block is a 3 paragraph career summary honoring this journalist on his 25th year in the biz, it is a sort of light-hearted riff on the fact that New York has had, over the decades, two journalists christened "Frank" Cipolla, although the other went by "Chip." The second source that you find objectionable is an article about an entirely separate topic in the New York Post that I used - legitimately - to source a single fact about Cipolla's career (employment at WWOR-TV). Detailed articles about his career that that you do not mention are feature article in The Hunterdon County Democrat "Award winning broadcaster Frank Cipolla writes about his experience at WCRV in Washington in new book" and a feature article (or perhaps an essay by a columnist?,) in the New York Daily News: :A Frank Look at Local News" , and, yes, I do regard this as the kind of significant, in-depth profiling that supports notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I additionally wonder whether we could find anything to indicate he got more than hometown coverage? I am of the opinion that hometown sources should count for something but I do think we need outside sources as well, to establish broader notability and satisfy the “balanced” account requirement in WP:WHYN. Somewhat like (but less severely than) the campus newspaper of a subject’s alma mater, hometown-only sources may be tilted toward giving an inflated impression of a subject’s significance, and outside sources provide a means of cross-checking. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Probably, although The Star-Ledger is New Jersey's statewide newspaper. I have certainly not run exhaustive searches, there are ohter Franks Cipolla and I just looked for th elow-hanging fruit, er... serch words. I add that the New York metropolitan area is an awfully big media market with thousands of working journalists who have never had a profile in one of the city's major dailies.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you mean about New York-area recognition feeling more significant, but since we don't pass articles on New York restaurants or plays that only have NY-based coverage, I don't know why we'd do differently for bios. If he really is more than locally significant, I'd expect to see that external sources did also take notice, and I haven't here yet (and I did look for quite a while myself last night). Innisfree987 (talk) 23:01, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable local broadcaster.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - he's not even notable for the local NYC market. Bearian (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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