Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francois Lensley

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The result was redirect to 7de Laan as sourcing appears insufficient per current consensus. This preserves the history should that change with further work. Star Mississippi 01:57, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Lensley

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Barely acted. scope_creep^Talk 19:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to their main role, 7de Laan. I was unable to find coverage that would add up to GNG. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 7de Laan, does not meet WP:NACTOR and not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Martial arts, and South Africa. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ Keep 7de Laan is/was immensely popular, and someone with a regular role is likely to have received enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. The popular press, especially the Afrikaans popular press (Huisgenoot and the like) may have coverage. It would be useful to look for sources there. Park3r (talk) 11:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE. Huisgenoot does indeed have a celebrity profile [1]. Here’s a profile in another wide circulation Afrikaans magazine WP:RS Sarie [2]. I’ll look for more, but this is enough to make me change to keepPark3r (talk) 11:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both are interviews. scope_creep^Talk 12:23, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

’Here’s a trailer for a 2019 episode of the Afrikaans prime time TV magazine show Pasella (again on the national broadcaster and widely watched) where he takes a viewer on a road trip. [3]. Here’s a 2007 article that describes him as a star that covers a robbery at his home.[4] He also attracts “screaming crowds” when he makes appearances in public [5]Park3r (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is a PR. Visiting a school. Normally having started in 92 episodes of a series with other work and other coverage would be sufficient, but there is no other coverage and no other work. Its a case of WP:TOOSOON. He fails WP:NACTOR. scope_creep^Talk 10:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the IMDB entry stating 92 episodes is out of date. 7de Laan has had over 5300 episodes (it runs 5 days a week), and according to TVSA he’s been on the show since 2003. As a main cast member he’s going to have appeared in a lot more than 92 episodes, and Google has numerous episode synopses indicating his appearances. Is this is case of WP:TOOSOON or a case where we fail to account for WP:WORLDWIDE? FWIW this Sarie article in Afrikaans was published in 2017 and said that he had been playing the role since 2003. Incidentally the same article states that he was “one of a handful of men who appeared on the magazine cover”. [6] Sarie is a wide circulation and well established Afrikaans magazine that’s published by Naspers since 1949 Park3r (talk) 12:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark (talk) 02:32, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He may have done 5300 episodes which would make him a household name, but the references do not support WP:NACTOR. They are junk, making it no more than a brochure article. I would suggest passing up WP:THREE references to prove the person is notable, and that includes, for example, reviews of work in a national newspaper or magazine. Otherwise it will need to redirected as there is no evidence from the WP:BEFORE that the subject is notable. scope_creep^Talk 21:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment agree with above, zillions of hits on his name, but most are gossip magazine stuff. I'd likely vote keep if we can find the quality references about him. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sarie is a national magazine dating back to 1949 and published by one of South Africa's largest media groups. He's been covered on national television. He meets WP:GNG, I'm not sure why we need WP:NACTOR as an additional hurdle. Park3r (talk) 05:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Park3r: The article states he is an actor. There must sources, there must be sources, that is confirmed by conensus on Wikipedia recently. Please submit three sources that confirm he is notable. scope_creep^Talk 07:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I included a number of sources above including: the Pasella prime time TV show that featured him. The News24 article that covered the attack on him at his home (home invasions are depressingly routine in South Africa and not generally newsworthy: the fact that his was covered is a sign of notability). The Sarie articles, including the one that stated he was only one of a handful of men to feature on its cover since it was founded (in 1949).Park3r (talk) 08:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.