Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Nigel Lee

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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) 4meter4 (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Nigel Lee[edit]

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No evidence of significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article already refers to the third party coverage - in fact, there is a full-length biography. StAnselm (talk) 19:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @StAnselm: The publisher of this biography, Palmer Higgs Books, appears to be a self-publishing firm rather than the kind of publisher that provides editorial control over their publications. As such I'm skeptical that it contributes towards notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - David Eppstein - He had an autobiography as well, this seems to be separate. Bookscale (talk) 06:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why would an autobiograpthy be considered third party coverage? Niteshift36 (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not - I'm simply showing that the biography is not some source related to the author when he did his own one. Bookscale (talk) 09:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then why even mention it if it doesn't help establish notability? Niteshift36 (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain it again: (1) you assert that the biography is likely to be self-published. (2) I have shown that Lee himself wrote an autobiography. That means that your argument about it being self-published is unlikely to be correct. It does go to notability, because, as StAnselm asserted, it shows there is an independent third-party source that covers his life in some detail. Bookscale (talk) 10:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then let me ask again: What biography of him was done by a third party that used a reputable publisher? Self-publish doesn't mean the subject published it, rather the author self-published. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - seems to have been a fairly prolific author on topics related to Calvinism and related things. I've tried to add some of his works to the article. Bookscale (talk) 06:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Writing a lot of non-notable material doesnt make one notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has reliable sources coverage and worldcat shows over 800 library holdings of his works which usually indicates that they have been widely reviewed imv Atlantic306 (talk) 16:50, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merely being contained in libraries isn't a WP:AUTHOR criteria. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep His works have been cited by a few people, as stated by the user above me are widely reviewed, and there are some new sources added by Booskscale and some which i found online to show has the coverage and depth to pass WP:GNG. He also is known under name FN Lee. IlluminatingTrooper (talk) 06:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm not sure why this needed to be relisted, as the consensus was already clearly in favor of retention, but the sources provided and the books published by the article's subject satisfy the notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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