Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Former Muslims United (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 03:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Former Muslims United

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No separate notability from Nonie Darwish. References to the organisation are only passing and lack WP:SIGCOV (like the the posting of the billboard) and most of the in depth coverage relates to Nonie Darwish. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise this has previously been nominated for AfD. The discussion quality in the last AfD was poor, so I thought this was worth having again. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article discusses an important subject and is supported by about a dozen references. JRSpriggs (talk) 02:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The lack of WP:SIGCOV indicates that, whatever the importance of the issues they organized around, they're not an organization worth devoting an article to. (Plenty of marginal and outright non-notable groups have formed with a mission statement about fighting illiteracy, world hunger, etc.) A redirect to Nonie Darwish wouldn't be out of the question (redirects are cheap), but I'm not sure how plausible a search term it is. XOR'easter (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source analysis
Reference	Source	Date	Contents	Reliability and assessment for significant coverage
1	"NewsRealBlog" (defunct, but preserved via the wayback machine) described as the "team blog of the David Horowitz Freedom Center"	August 2010	References a piece in the New English Review by Nonie Darwish defending FMU "against moderate muslims"	Appears to be a self-published blog hosted by the David Horowitz Freedom Center which spotlights the deprecated FrontPage Magazine published by the organisation and the associated Jihad Watch in the websites banner. Does not evidence that organisation is separately notable from Nonie Darwish
2	"Terrified: How Anti-Muslim Fringe Organizations Became Mainstream"	2014	Can't access, according to the reference the group is described as "fringe"	A reliable academic source. Being described as "fringe" does not establish notability separate from Nonie Darwish
3	The Unz Review by Michelle Malkin	September 2009	Essentially a reposting of a press release by FMU from around the time they were launched	As this is from around the time the group launched, this does not demonstrate sustained or SIGCOV. The Unz Review is a fringe site that has published white nationalist material, and Michelle Malkin herself is associated with Holocaust denial
4	New York Post	November 2009	About muslim women attacking their husbands, only reference to FMU is in the sentence "Some believe that the sheer vastness of the US has kept [honor killings] largely off the radar. “We’ve not been seeing it yet because our country’s so big,” says Amil Imani, who was born in Iran but raised in the US, and is the founder of Former Muslims United."	New York Post is considered generally unreliable per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, there is no significant coverage, just an incidental mention
5	The New York Times	August 2010	The article is about various claims made on the internet about Feisal Abdul Rauf as a result of the "Ground Zero Mosque" controversy. Brief mention of FMU in the paragraph "Bloggers have asserted that the American Society for Muslim Advancement, an organization led by Mr. Abdul Rauf’s wife, Daisy Khan, “refuse to sign” a pledge rejecting punishment by death for apostasy sent to its office by Former Muslims United. The pledge read, “We now pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor to achieve for former Muslims their unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We claim these rights as the foundation for our right to freedom from Shariah. We urge you to join us.”"	The New York Times is a reliable source. FMU is only briefly mentioned, and does not demonstrate SIGCOV
6	The Washington Times	September 2009	Reports on a press conference by FMU from around their time of founding, decrying the persecution of ex-muslims	There is no concensus on the reliability of The Washington Times per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. The piece is clearly about the group and may demonstrate SIGCOV.
7	Fox News	August 2010	About concerns around the building of Memphis Islamic Center in Tennessee. Only reference to FMU is "Jerry Gordon, a member of the board of Former Muslims United, a group dedicated to raising awareness of "the threat from authoritative Shariah to the religious freedom and safety of former Muslims," says the fears are not about religion, they are about Shariah and political Islam."	There is no concensus about the reliablity of Fox News on political topics per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Coverage of FMU is passing and does not demonstrate SIGCOV
8	The New York Times	August 2010	About oppositon to the building of Mosques around the United States. only reference to FMU is "A group called Former Muslims United put up a billboard saying “Stop the Murfreesboro Mosque.” The group’s president is Nonie Darwish, also the founder of Arabs for Israel, who spoke against Islam in Murfreesboro at a fund-raising dinner for International Christian Embassy Jerusalem."	Only incidentally mentioned, does not demonstrate notability separate from Nonie Darwish
9	Christian Broadcasting Network	July 2010	About FMU putting up a billboard against the "Murfreesboro Mosque", almost half the article is an extended quote from Darwish	I don't think that CBU is a reliable source and does not provide SIGCOV, does not demonstrate notability separate from Darwish
10	WKRN-TV	July 2010	About FMU putting up a billboard against the "Murfreesboro Mosque". Quotes Darwish as the representative of the group	Local news source, doesn't demonstrate notability separate from Darwish
11	KFFB	December 2009	About FMU praising the banning of minarets on mosques in a Swiss referendum, almost the whole article is extended quotes from Darwish	Appears to be a blog on a local Arkansas music station, Does not demonstrate notability and given that its mostly extended quotes from Darwish does not demonstrate notability separate from Darwish.

In conclusion, there appears to be very little significant coverage of this organisation by reliable sources. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV and Hemiauchenia. I would add that extensive editing would need to be completed before this is an article, not a soap-box. IMHO, Washington Times is not areliable source, and since it is owned and managed indirectly by the Unification Church, it has a undisclosed conflict of interest. Bearian (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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