Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foreign-born footballers who played for Australia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Discussion of a merger to some new article or whatever can and should continue on the talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign-born footballers who played for Australia

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Contested PROD. I honestly don't see the point of this article; a 'parent' article (which I created!) was deleted by AfD in August 2010. These kind of articles are a slippery slope and could load to all kind of trivial lists. Giant Snowman 17:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, this is a different concept from dual nationality (the previous discussion), it is to do with players representing a national team who were born outside that country (in this case, the Australia national soccer team). This is quite a notable (and sometimes controversial) subject, eg1 English cricket, eg2 English football, eg3 Scottish football, eg4 USA soccer. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have thought there was a category for this, and thought that such would be sufficient, but I see that a) there doesn't appear to be one and b) the subject, as Jmorrison says, may be worth some discussion more than a mere list of names. Keep and add discussion. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - OK, I can kinda see what you're saying, so why not expand it for all nations? A cross between the old, deleted list and this one, and make a list of all international players who were born in X but played for Y? GiantSnowman 12:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I like the idea in theory, but in practice it seems like it might be unwieldy - an article on foreign-born players for Australia alone encompasses a number of sections and dozens upon dozens of names. Perhaps if "country of origin" is discarded as a sorting mechanism and we just have "foreign-born players for Australia," "for England," etc. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:59, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think it would - the 'List of association football players with dual nationality' article (which included all the non-internationals) was a manageable size if I recall correctly. Giant Snowman 20:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - similar articles exist such as List of England international footballers born outside of England and List of Wales international footballers born outside of Wales. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are also a few Scottish ones I believe as well. You're of course familiar with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but those article are properly set out and have some kind of guideline/aim - this Australian one remains indiscriminate. Personally I'd be happy to see all of the article merged into one article, as I have suggested before. Giant Snowman 17:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - One artical would be easier to maintain and would group the information together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaya Silva (talk • contribs) 13:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge it with what? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think he means create a new article which lists all nationalities. Giant Snowman 09:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If kept or merged, I would urge that -- per WP:LISTPEOPLE -- all entries that do not have a wp article, and that do not have independent RS refs supporting their notability and their fitting the criteria of this list, be deleted.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 11:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge The topic of footballers representing countries other than their own might merit some sort of article, but surely it makes no sense to duplicate the debate on multiple different countries? DaveApter (talk) 11:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, merge it with which article? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Again, create a new article which lists all nationalities in one place. Giant Snowman 13:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No clear criteria for inclusion. Not referenced from a source (does such an article exist?). Primary research. External links do not furnish further information on visitors. Four existing references do not support such an article. Provided lists of players do little further than enabling primary research. At least List of England international footballers born outside of England and List of Wales international footballers born outside of Wales have clear inclusion criteria. If they don't merit their own articles, they can be sent to AfD as well... Cloudz 679 21:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the article already has inclusion criteria: footballers who have played for the Australian national team, who were born outside Australia, but if need be text can be added in the intro clarifying matters. Eldumpo (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It seems reasonable to have a list showing foreign-born Australians as ethnicity and birth are often discussed, given the association of the game in Australia with immigrants e.g. see [1]. Whilst there is no reason to suggest any of the entries are incorrectly listed, I would be happy for all unsourced entries to be removed from the list. Given the relative length of the list I can't see the merit in trying to merge with other countries. Also, this kind of list already exists for other countries. Eldumpo (talk) 09:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If it is decided to be kept I think it should be renamed in the 'List of...' format e.g. List of Australia international footballers born outside of Australia. Eldumpo (talk) 09:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.