Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flower punctuation mark

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The result was delete. Wifione ^Message 13:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flower punctuation mark

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See also WT: Noticeboard for India-related topics #Flower punctuation mark ⁕. Apparently not notable enough. Even it is notable, then a red link is better than a stub based on yet another piece of Unicode Consortium's trash. When I contacted the author (off-wiki), he replied that the only source was a chart from unicode.org. Unicode’s list of characters is notorious for its incompetence, especially on names of characters. I propose to delete the stub and make ⁕ a disambiguation between General Punctuation (currently a redirect, but may eventually become an article about the Unicode block), Flower, and Red Hot Chili Peppers who uses this symbols as their logo. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - for some reason the nominator listed AfD another AfD - I have now logged it properly. Giant Snowman 11:59, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have also notified the article creator. Giant Snowman 12:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. Nwlaw63 (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Because no source has been provided to verify the information, which seems to be in question. I also wonder if WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary would include punctuation marks in other languages. BigJim707 (talk) 17:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Let you wonder. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"phul" (more properly फूल) is simply Hindi for "flower", and "puspika" (पुष्पिका) is simply Nepali for "flower". It's fairly easy to turn up grammars and other sources that tell one outright that Bengali gets most of its punctuation from English, and that before the influx of English punctuation marks, which most attribute to Vidyasagar (although some state that it wasn't all his doing), Bengali had just two punctuation marks (danda and double-danda). This mark is neither of those. Uncle G (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge Agree with Uncle G on this; there appears to be no flower punctuation in the Assamese and Bangla languages; the danda (or dadi) and doubled versions seem to be the only traditional punctuation and modern punctuation is derived from European languages. There do exist Unicode flower symbols, for instance 'FLOWER' (U+2698) and 'FLOWER PUNCTUATION MARK' (U+2055); the latter is presumably what is meant here. Update: There is a page listing star glyphs that looks like a good candidate for merging this symbol. Mark viking (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for reasons listed above. I also agree with Mark viking that a small blurb about the character itself (not its supposed South Asian usage) on the Star (glyph) page would also be appropriate. Bensci54 (talk) 23:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge for reasons listed above. It looks similar to an asterisk, which sometimes appears in Indic publications, but that is an artifact of European typography and the "flower" is not an Indic mark that I am familiar with. Has anyone presented a scan showing an example of its use? I was able to locate a discussion of a mark referred to as "flower" by the Vedic Extensions working group for Unicode on page 2 of their notes at [[1]]. That group noted that the mark was in the general punctuation category of Unicode and so they set it aside for Vedic standardization. The committee must have thought it had some relevance as a Vedic mark because those minutes report "The symbol flower 0974 in N3235 was removed from the revised proposal N3290 because a flower symbol is included as U+2055 in the General Punctuation page [2000-206F] of the Unicode Standard." In another Vedic marks working group paper [[2]] there is a mention that "There are many decorative flower symbols used as fillers. There seems to be a need to define some separate area for decorative symbols such as Flower 0974." That suggests they considered the mark to be decorative in nature, not a form of punctuation. The group did propose standardizing U+1CF1 as a mark called "VAIDIKA PUSHPIKA" but the mark does not have a symmetrical star shape. The final version put this mark as "DEVANAGARI SIGN PUSHPIKA" AT U+A8F8 with a usage note that it is often used as a placeholder or filler, often flanked by double dandas. [3]. Buddhipriya (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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