Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fivefold ministry (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fivefold ministry[edit]

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This article is blatant WP:SYN, virtually the entire thing is primary sourced to Bible passages and the few sources that are not the Bible are generally unreliable. Even if the topic is notable (not every evangelical trope is), this is a clear case for WP:TNT because this article violates WP:NOR and every version I have checked has the same problem. The best may be [1] but even this brave effort by JamesBWatson still leaves great swathes that are syntheses from the sources (not his fault, that is why he made the previous AfD nomination I guess). I went to stub it down to reliable stuff but the search results did not contain anything I would consider usable: lots of self-published evangelical proselytising and no actual substantive reliable sources, and the sources I do consider reliable, do not cover the topic beyond passing mentions that kind of assume you know what it is. "Fivefold ministry" quoted gets a couple of pages of Google hits, mainly sermons and mission pages. There are some mission training books and the like but none by notable authors and most seem to be published by niche charismatic presses often directly linked to the author's ministry. Guy (Help!) 09:36, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete Some mention in independent reliable sources ([2], [3], [4], [5]) but not quite the significant coverage needed to support an article of more than a few sentences per WP:WHYN. Could possibly be a merge to Charismatic Christianity or one of the articles linked to from there, but I'm not sure which one.--Pontificalibus 10:37, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article is about a doctrine of a particular group of christians. Sources are from those people, and thus not independent, and are mostly not reliable sources, and there is very little coverage of it in independent sources. Some of the cited sources and external links actually don't even mention the "fivefold ministry" at all. Also, most of the content of the article is not even supported by the cited sources, and that has been true for all or virtually all of the article's history. The original version of the article consisted purely of a statement of one person's opinion on the matter, and although over the course of time the content has shifted and changed, it has continued in almost all its versions to be essentially attempting to present the personal views of a succession of editors, many of them single-purpose editors. From time to time editors have expressed concern about these problems, and various editors have attempted to clean the article up, but it has never fully cured the problems, and each time it has fairly soon returned to being no better than before. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.