Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fisher Park Public School

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The result was Keep --JForget 22:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fisher Park Public School

Non-notable School. Fails WP:ORG Delete GreenJoe 15:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also fails to cite sources. GreenJoe 16:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It appears to have more history than many other schools, having changed hands and changed its name on a number of occasions. Because of its complex history, it is not an ideal candidate for merger into its school district. --Eastmain (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I added some references. --Eastmain (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. I'm getting tired of these vendettas against school articles. Even a small school is a major public institution with an annual budget of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars and the hub of a neighbourhood or town. If subway stops, coffee shops, and anime characters qualify for articles, why shouldn't schools? In any case, Fisher is notable for several reasons, including the celebrities who attended it as students and the acrimonious public debate over the highschool closing a couple of decades ago. David (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent on traffic lights, individual fast food restaurants, and individual gas stations, all of which do not and should not have articles. Each of these are major hubs in a neighborhood or town!

"We have articles on this!" is generally a bad argument. The fact that individual schools are almost always the subject of discussion in reliable sources, well, there you're onto something. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Those are good points, but I think that schools still stand out from the other examples. Individual traffic lights might cost a few thousand to put up, but each one doesn't have an operating budget of a few hundred thousand or a million a year; a fast food restaurant location or a very big gas station might have that kind of budget, but it's not a public institution. None is a community hub in the way that a school is: they don't host dances, sport events, candidate debates, community group meetings, sales, or fairs (well, maybe a gas station somewhere does all that, but if it does, it's probably notable enough for an article). Also, unlike the others, schools represent important stages in thousands of current and former students' lives. I agree that Fisher is particularly notable, but I think that ever school should be considered notable by default because of what I just listed (while every gas station or traffic light should not). After all, Wikipedia is not running out of paper, and school articles are not vanity pieces or trivia. David (talk) 01:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's limit is not the amount of paper, but the supply of sources for words on that paper. One can make an argument that schools are as important as [thing we have] or as unimportant as [things we don't], but such an argument contributes nothing to an AFD.

Once you focus on WP:V and WP:N and talk about whether we can write an article about this school based on the sources, you move from airy philosophical discussions that please none to practical discussions with applicable results.

Wikipedia articles are not badges of merit or measures of importance or directories of public institutions. They are not awarded, they are written. They are summaries of what reliable sources have seen fit to say on the subject. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per refs added by Eastmain. This article now meets WP:N.--Sting Buzz Me... 22:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this school has a particularly unusual history and sources are available to easily meet WP:ORG. Nominators should look beyond what is in the article to what is available to be added. Stubs are like small acorns; if they are pulled out of the ground they will never develop but if they are nurtured they may grow into giant oaks. TerriersFan (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article gives no basis for its meeting the WP:ORG notability standard. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 16:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's definitely notable. A well known school in Ottawa with a unique history. One of the few middle schools in Ottawa as well as being a school at the centre of the Fisher Park community. Finding sources won't be a problem for this article. It needs a little retooling. MiltonP Ottawa (talk) 15:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.