Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fireal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fireal

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There is no evidence of notability on the page. I tried proposing it for deletion but it was removed. I searched it up and most of the sources were just their YouTube channel or Facebook page. Sahaib3005 (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This page has existed for years and the band has given recently interviews to notable sources such as Metal World and EatMusic sites. They have won the Best Nordic Song award with Ana Johnsson (Spiderman 2). There is no reason for this deletion. TheInkakaiRises (talk) 24 September 2021 (UTC) — TheInkakaiRises (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. – Sahaib3005 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No Delete This page should not be deleted. Fireal has co-written "Breathe" with Max Martin which is shown in Max_Martin_production_discography. This was also announced in notable source Blabbermouth as shown here that also mentions Fireal featuring in the movie Priest of Evil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leek36 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC) — Leek36 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Striking. The SPI has concluded that, regardless of whether this !vote was made in good or bad faith, it is clearly either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry for a blocked user. This AfD has been semi-protected. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:CSD A7. Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Article fails WP:GNG by a long shot. - Aoidh (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - article fails WP:GNG, WP:BAND. Lavalizard101 (talk) 15:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin: the SPA above has now been indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing. Richard3120 (talk) 16:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note possible sockpuppetry going on see the word for word "no delete" votes by two different users and this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheInkakaiRises. Lavalizard101 (talk) 19:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate "no delete" vote removed. Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SPI closed with no action as canvassing cannot be ruled out based on evidence. Lavalizard101 (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And re-opened and closed with some action; see above. :) Please report any further disruption. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not appear to meet WP:GNG --DannyS712 (talk) 03:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet WP:BAND. If their popularity increases then they might merit an article in the future. MarnetteD|Talk 14:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The nomination for deletion and all delete votes were placed before the article had been updated. New content has been added to bring the article up to compliance with WP:BAND, specifically sections 1, 2, and 10. The article currently documents several independent published sources featuring the band as a subject. As also documented in the article, the band had an album on Finland's national music chart and they have performed for 2 films (once under their former name and once under the name Fireal). This alone should constitute notability and should be enough reason not to delete the article. While they do not technically meet section 5 of WP:BAND because they only had one album, it was released under a major record label (Warner Music Finland). Additionally, under section 8 of WP:BAND, under the former band name, Fireal frontman Lit won a major award (an NRJ Music Award). Section 11 of WP:BAND is true but I am having trouble finding corroborating sources. If given more time, I believe a source could be found. Please note that I have been a longstanding fan of the band, however I have no external personal or professional relationship with them.Dragonsnowballcat (talk) 03:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC) — Dragonsnowballcat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The article still fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND by a long shot, even with the new edits. - Aoidh (talk) 22:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why. "Musicians... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria... Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." At the very least, it meets that. Can you please be more specific? Thanks.Dragonsnowballcat (talk) 00:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject meets WP:GNG with three separate news releases from blabbermouth.net with non-trival coverage of band. Blabbermouth is listed as a reliable source at WP:MUSICRS. Meets criteria 1, 2, and 10 of WP:BAND and has had an album charted on IFPI Finland which is listed at WP:GOODCHARTS. These guys aren't the Beatles but they are notable by our own criteria and the article should not be deleted just because a few new users misbehaved.--John Cline (talk) 09:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Press releases are not eligible for GNG; and the supposed meeting of NBAND is of purely academic interest if they fail GNG; as indicated at Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria: " meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included" RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG)" WP:N Additionally, the articles in question are independent, verifiable sources and not press releases ("any information deliberately sent to a reporter or media source").Dragonsnowballcat (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, and said criteria clearly indicate that they are not absolute; so I don't see why you're insisting on that; and yes, the articles in question look like press releases, and even if they are not, they're really just routine announcements of upcoming albums - not significant coverage in the sense of GNG. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.