Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Female adventurers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. As a "list of", it may be more maintainable - as long as criteria are set. There is a mild consensus to keep. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Female adventurers[edit]

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Don't think that this should have an article and fails WP:GNG Yash t 101 09:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Easily passes WP:GNG: The blessings of a good thick skirt; Women travelers; Victorian lady travellers; Maiden Voyages; Unsuitable for Ladies; Spinsters Abroad; How to Climb Mt. Blanc in a Skirt; Ladies on the Loose; Women of Adventure; Wayward Women; &c. Warden (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete' Another list with impossibly vague inclusion criteria. For instnce Freya Stark and Sally Ride have very little in comon other than being women. If it is kept, it should be renamed, since 'adventurer' is a word with multiple meanings.TheLongTone (talk) 10:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But Freya Stark and Sally Ride DO have something else in common; they are adventurers. I take it that you are emphasizing the differences between them. But to claim that adventurers in space and in the desert are not, then, adventurers? Anarchangel (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just needs to be in alpha order with a summary of each.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If it is cleaned up and expanded as Dr. Blofeld suggests, it might end up as a useful page. But the inclusion criteria is a problem - what the hell is an adventurer? Who decides? Not sure about this one. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 13:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning of adventurer intended here is obviously that defined by the OED as "A person who engages in hazardous enterprises; one who seeks or enjoys adventures.". Other possible words for the title might be discoverer, explorer or traveler but they are all debatable. What's clear is that, whatever you call them, such women are regularly put together in sources such as Women of the Four Winds. Warden (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: the inclusion criteria need to be clarified in such a way as to keep this list from getting indiscriminate, but the subject itself is encyclopedic if that happens. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 14:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The criteria clearly needs to be clarified in the article if it is to stand any chance of being kept. The current wording would allow any woman who engaged in promiscuous anonymous sex to be added to the list, any woman who has shared dirty heroin needles, etc. These are 'hazardous enterprises' engaged in for pleasure. . . the very definition of adventure. Due to the lax (non-existant?) inclusion criteria, the current list includes sailors, mountain climbers, journalists, dog sledders, swimmers, astronauts, pilots, and missionaries. These women have nothing in common. Most in this list were not explorers and did not discover anything, they traveled to locations that were documented/explored long before. Tighter inclusion criteria will likely end up shortening this list further, but are needed if the list is to remain.--Stv Fetterly (Edits) 14:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - At the very least, this article needs a rename. A serial killer meets the dictionary definition of an adventurer. Should we include Typhoid Mary, Irma Grese, and Beverley Allitt in this same list? The criteria for inclusion on this list is way too broad.--Stv Fetterly (Edits) 13:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree; I believe these examples are skimming the surface, and there are more important distinctions within them. Serial killers are not motivated by the danger of being caught. Needle sharers do not seek out this danger; they are negligent. The criteria need not be more defined or stringent than the combination of the two phrases in the sentence, "A person who engages in hazardous enterprises; one who seeks or enjoys adventures.". I.e., inclusion is not based on hazardous enterprises OR enjoying adventures, but both. And as it happens, the word 'engages' implies this distinction; a person who engages in an activity is seeking it out, and choosing to engage in it.Anarchangel (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide your proof that the motivations of all female serial killers in history were not related to compulsive risk taking. Next, few of the women even in the current list meet your criteria . . . some of them did what they did for fame, money, research, recognition, etc. Where are the references that show that they 'enjoyed adventures'? Next . . . where the heck do we draw the line for inclusion criteria? Does any female black belt in a martial art qualify? They commonly are involved in risky actions (fighting) often due to risk loving personalities. Is any woman scientist in the early 1900s an adventurer for going against societal norms and doing scientific research? What about a women's rights activist? Is Rosa Parks an adventurer for her protesting against segregation? Currently the list seems to indicate that adventurers should only include any women who has performed some sort of physical feat or travel. Nobody has yet narrowed the inclusion criteria for this list.--Stv Fetterly (Edits) 12:16, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Warden and Blofeld and my replies above. Anarchangel (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note – The article has been renamed to List of female adventurers. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as impracticably broad and a non-notable intersection of criteria: women are half of humanity, and what definition of "adventurer" do we adopt? Sandstein 05:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Warden, Blofeld, and Anarchangel. Also, this is a useful list for our core readership - students. Bearian (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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