Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fazal Mohammed
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete, despite valiant efforts, it appears there's very little source material available. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 03:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fazal Mohammed[edit]
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Trinidadian musical pioneer. Deleted as prod but restored on request. No opinion on the subject, but the article desperately needs sources. ~ trialsanderrors 03:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I can't find anything online, but that isn't surprising, given the time from (Trinidadian who died in the 40s). It points to our problem with sources, and the clear bias towards people from the developed world, with information found online. Guettarda 03:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So is there any evidence of this person's existence? Looking at the edit history and searching for "Lord Fazal" makes me suspicious that at least parts of the entry are a hoax. ~ trialsanderrors 04:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He's the father of Kamaluddin Mohammed[1] (prominent politician and cultural figure), Shamshuddin Mohammed[2] (politician and important cultural figure) and Moen Mohammed[3] (important cultural figure). Is he really notable as a pioneer of ghazal in TT? That I can't prove. Guettarda 05:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So is there any evidence of this person's existence? Looking at the edit history and searching for "Lord Fazal" makes me suspicious that at least parts of the entry are a hoax. ~ trialsanderrors 04:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as the article in it's current form fails the policy on attribution; searching for information on the subject failed to yield any reliable sources to confirm the information within the article. Kyra~(talk) 05:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete unless sourced and referenced by end of this AfD AlfPhotoman 15:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete unless some references supplied. There are some sources on Indo-Trinidadian music available. Google books has Helen Myers' Music of Hindu Trinidad. The Mohammed brothers mentioned by Guettarda are indexed in Myers' book, but Fazal is not. Nor does he seem to be listed at http://www.rafimohammed.com/ as the brothers are. Having said that, Nazir Mohammed (mentioned at rafimohammed.com) is not indexed by Myers either. "Lord Fazal", which appears to raise some eyebrows, is in fact a plausible style (compare "Lord Shaker", "Prince Buster"...). The article seems perfectly plausible and entirely unattributable. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice find on the Helen Myers book. Yes, "Lord Fazal" is totally in keeping with the names used by calypsonians; coming from Aranguez, Mohammed would have been more creolised than would someone from Felicity, for example. Also with regards to Myers book - as Muslim devotional music I'm not even sure that they would have been a primary interest in a book on Hindu music. Guettarda 21:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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