Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faith Assembly (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Faith Assembly[edit]

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This was a 2012 no consensus, but in the intervening nine years there is no further evidence via BEFORE to support passage of WP:MUSIC or GNG. Star Mississippi 14:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Star Mississippi 14:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Star Mississippi 14:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - there are a couple of problems here: 1. The band might meet the requirements of WP:GNG and given the sheer quantity of music they have produced (some under A Different Drum) you would think there would be some coverage out there. The issue is that the name of the band makes searching for such sources almost impossible. Every search is jam-packed with references to churches and church groups, and adding words like "band" to the search parameters obviously doesn't do much to help that. 2. We still have the issue of Quasihuman's assertion in the final days of the last AFD; that the band passes WP:BAND because it meets specific criteria. I think we would need some well-thought-through analysis of why that isn't the case before we can dismiss it. St★lwart¹¹¹ 00:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think both have contributed to the lack of contributions here. So I might ping Star Mississippi just in case they had anything to add. St★lwart¹¹¹ 00:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply apologies for the delay @Stalwart111:, I was offline for a few days. I did see Quasihuman's assertion, but without reliable sourcing, I'm not sure A Different Drum meets important indie label - it's not AfD worthy but there are some significant questions remaining that even with some search magic ala what Doomsdayer520 alluded to, I can't find the sourcing to establish notability. Unfortunately with a prior AfD I forsee this ending up as a no consensus, because so far there isn't one. August vacation time doesn't help either unfortunately. Star Mississippi 22:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologise; I'm in Australia and in lock-down at a loose end, so have more time to contribute. I appreciate your reply. I agree with your assessment of search results, and those of doomsdayer520. And while I understand the point made in the last AfD, without reliable sources to confirm that assertion, we don't really have a choice but to dismiss it. We certainly can't consider it in a way that supersedes basic requirements like WP:GNG so it becomes a moot point. St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stay safe! That was me earlier in my return to active editing Star Mississippi 23:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As noted above there is some difficulty in searching for this band, but that can be alleviated with some more strategy like <"Faith Assembly" + "Mark Stacy">. But via that strategy I still can find nothing on this band beyond its own social media and the usual streaming and directory sites. With a lot of releases you'd think they would have some reliable notice out there, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Also, WP:NBAND requires multiple releases on important indie labels, which is open to interpretation but the band's lack of notice ~~does~~ does not sway that discussion in their favor either. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean "doesn't", right? As in, it doesn't help the band meet that guideline? I don't want to be pedantic but given the last discussion, clarity is important here. St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, a minor typo. It has been fixed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per Doomsdayer520's accurate assessment and my discussion above. St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A difficulty in searching and having to incorporate search strategies should be a big red flag on notability especially on a BLP. -- Otr500 (talk) 19:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Trying to look for sources independently verified Doomsdayer's assessment of potential sources. — CVValue (talk) 20:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.