Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FC Barcelona Juvenil A

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 00:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FC Barcelona Juvenil A[edit]

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This article is a lower standard than notability as in (Wikipedia:CSD#A7) Worldboy13 (talk) 06:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Besides that the article consists of just raw data about the team. Nothing of interest to someone who is not following the league. Northwestgnome (talk) 06:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think it's notable as far as being an official spanish soccer team. I think one can argue that it satisfies CSD A7 by listing the titles its won. Just because it's only of primary notability to a select group doesn't mean it should be tossed. Consider the example of high schools having their own article. Chaldor (talk) 08:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not professional club and also Real Madrid Juvenil A deleted with the same reason??.--KSA^connect 22:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of significant content, hardly notable as a stand-alone article. I would say "merge it", but there's actually nothing to merge, it's a raw list of non-notable footballers and youth level awards. --Angelo (talk) 08:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This appears to be Barcelona's youth team rather than a reserve team as stated in the article. We have articles on the youth teams of some other big Eurpean clubs, e.g. Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea so I suspect that the team is notable enough to be mentioned on wikipedia and have some information about it. I suspect the apparent lack of sources is likely due to sources being in Spanish. (This is not a normal WP:OTHERSTUFF arguement as I'm not suggesting it should exist because the others do but rather suggesting that as other similar teams have enough notability this one will do if we can find it). The information on many youth teams is included in a 'parent' article, either on the club itself or bundled in with the reserve team. The latter wouldn't seem sensible as the status of reserve teams is different in Spain and they play in the normal national league system. Given the length of the main FC Barcelona page having a seperate article on a youth team would seem a sensible way to stop the main article getting too long. At the very least this should be merged somewhere. Dpmuk (talk) 10:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is not Barcelona's youth team, but merely a youth team. We have articles about youth systems, not single youth representative teams (they happen to be no less than four or five). --Angelo (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had assumed as the A team they were the top youth team. Regardless, if we have articles on 'youth systems' then merge the information into such an article. If such an article does not exist (and I don't think it does) then I'd suggest renaming this article and using for a basis of a 'youth system' article. Either way this article then becomes a redirect so shouldn't be deleted. Dpmuk (talk) 15:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's an editorial issue. We're discussing here about the notability of an article about FC Barcelona Juvenil A, whose content attempts to cover solely that one team. If you want to create a FC Barcelona youth system article, I would not oppose in principle. If you instead think the Juvenil A team is notable on its own, well, I just don't agree with it. --Angelo (talk) 16:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: unless they play in the actual Spanish league system (as Barca's reserves do), any youth team wouldn't meet the genrally accepted notability standards for a football team. Bettia (rawr CRUSH!) 11:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A reminder that the 'generally accepeted notability standards for a football team' don't trump the general WP:N guidelines - if there's been non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources then the articles should stay regardless of whether it meets the normal football club criteria. Hence why, in my opinion, we have articles on other club's youth teams. I suspect if we looked in the Spanish press such coverage would be there (certainly for the 'youth system' - see my comments above). Dpmuk (talk) 15:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move and expand - let's just shift the article to an article at FC Barcelona youth system and expand the scope. It's a perfectly valid beginning to that article. matt91486 (talk) 21:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bettia. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 09:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 19:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.