Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exploration of the Sun

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The result was redirect to Sun#Solar space missions. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 13:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exploration of the Sun

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Without sources, this is simply an essay. ubiquity (talk) 21:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sun#Solar space missions covers this topic already, and does it much better too. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment these two topics are not equivalents though. Exploration of the Sun does not necessarily require spacecraft. We can and do explore the Sun with telescopes (usually optical and radio). -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 07:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete - Unsourced, unencyclopediac essay covering information better presented elsewhere. 13:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PianoDan (talk • contribs)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Sun#Solar space missions. 2602:306:3653:8A10:B5C0:69FE:7856:8D8D (talk) 21:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this subject is notable and follows the naming convention of other astronomy articles on Wikipedia. E.g. Exploration of Mars, Exploration of Pluto, Exploration of Jupiter, Exploration of the Moon, etc. This article was recently created on July 29, 2015, so it has not had time to be properly written. Redirect to Sun#Solar space missions if the decision is to delete the article. Waters.Justin (talk) 21:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- unsourced, essayish article about a subject that's already covered properly elsewhere. Reyk _YO! 21:59, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect nothing much more to add than the previous comments, though redirection is a good idea until the subsection in the Sun article can be properly forked. Primefac (talk) 22:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the Sun without pointing to any particular section, since exploration is not the same as space missions, you can explore the Sun without any spacecraft at all. The redirect can be later converted into another article, per the examples of exploration articles of other Solar System bodies, if we have enough material to build such an article (or someone drafts a much larger article than what currently is sitting at this name) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 07:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sun#Solar space missions but please come back and write a better version of this article. If it is created again, it should be allowed time to develop.

This seems to be the editor's first article, so don't bite the newbies applies here.(My first article 9 years ago was distinctly essayish, and unsourced, yet it is still here as it was improved by others. I like to think that my contributions have improved since then.) Verifiability is required, but sources are often not required.

The article is a natural companion of the members of {{Planetary exploration}} (which, despite its name, is a template about solar system exploration). It makes one important point, which is enough to expect of a beginner: that observation by instruments in Earth's orbit of the Sun complements observation from other trajectories in a way that makes the concept of 'exploration' difficult to cover well. Though a subject is difficult to explain, it shouldn't stop Wikipedians trying.

I disagree with 67.70.32.190 that observation without a space mission counts as 'exploration': by distinction it is 'solar astronomy', which is a wider topic than 'solar exploration'.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is little difference in the action, when observing with a telescope from Earth, or Earth orbit, or some other Solar orbit. Unless you land a probe on the Sun, or skim its atmosphere/photosphere/corona, then all you're doing is remote observation. Solar astronomy involves modeling the Sun through theory and Earthly experimentation, which isn't just exploration, but a greater topic. That's my take of the situation. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 06:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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