Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erin Hatley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. While there was valid disagreement over the applicability of BLP1E in this context for various reasons, keep arguments did not rebut the concerns raised regarding depth of available independent coverage in light of the article's status as a BLP, and deletion enjoys both a numerical majority and momentum towards the end of the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Erin Hatley[edit]

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Subject appears to be a case of WP:BLP1E due to winning a beauty pageant, with a lack of sustained coverage with which to pass the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, Beauty pageants, and Tennessee. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: She appears nowhere in the news after winning the title, very much a case of 1E. Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Coverage exists here, here, here, here, and here. 00:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Comment. I'm curious to know what page creator @Ejgreen77: thinks of this. MaskedSinger (talk) 11:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That user was the one to post those sources, but forgot to sign their name. Let'srun (talk) 01:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
oh thanks MaskedSinger (talk) 06:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She also finished in the Top 10 in Miss America 2011. She additionally got more coverage here and here as a victim of a peeping tom incident. Clearly is not a WP:BLP1E case.KatoKungLee (talk) 05:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 02:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any of the new sources listed above help, beyond confirming the pageant win and doing things after as a pageant winner, and they aren't terribly long either, most have a big photo, then a few paragraphs. The peeing tom incident doesn't add to notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree. If someone peeps on me, it will not make the news.KatoKungLee (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: for the reasons mentioned about by KatoKungLee. The level of coverage takes this beyond that of BLP1E. Rublamb (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: ridiculously irrelevant. Unless we're now creating articles for squirrels. MisterWizzy (talk) 13:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

say what? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I disagree with KatoKungLee's assessment of the sources; as this is a relatively low-profile individual, the sourcing level for controversial claims is a lot higher, per WP:BLPSOURCES. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per KatoKungLee. The criteria in BLP1E #3 clearly state: We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met: [...] 3. The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.. In our case, The two events - Miss Tennessee 2011 and Miss America 2012 - were both significant, and Hatley's role in both was unarguably substantial and well documented. Owen× ☎ 20:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per OwenX arguemtn against 1e which appears more sound than delete voters. बिनोद थारू (talk) 03:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. @OwenX: and others are misapplying BLP1E, I believe; Miss Tennessee is the competition that chooses the state's representative to the subsequent Miss America Pageant, and as such the coverage being discussed here all stems from the same event. More importantly, we have two short sentences of content we can write that is independent of the pageant itself. Vanamonde (Talk) 07:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it is one event or two, nothing changes the fact that this doesn't meet requirement #3 of BLP1E: the event (or events) is significant, and her role in it was substantial and well-documented. There may be valid reasons to delete this article, but BLP1E isn't one of them. Owen× ☎ 14:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. Freinland (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, sourcing needs to be impeccable for BLP sources, and quite frankly I don't think is here as proposed. Per Ritchie333. Daniel (talk) 10:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.