Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Sullivan

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The result was delete. The award win is at best shared and arguably not for him but the album. Given that there is no argument refuting that this BLP currently fails the GNG/N then I feel the award based keep votes cannot prevail against wider consensus the BLPs must be properly sourced. When an SNG is in tension with N it's normally the SNG that gives way. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Sullivan[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC. The only claim to notability is that they produced (some of) a grammy-winning record, but that's insufficient to meet NMUSIC. My searches for other sources to meet BIO didn't find anything suitable. SmartSE (talk) 17:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unable to find any coverage to establish notability whatsoever. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. APerson (talk!) 18:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - search revealed nothing besides the knowledge there are about 5 million people named Eric Sullivan —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I just left a note at the article's talkpage -- it's unclear to me at this time whether he won the Grammy or not. It's also unclear by WP:NMUSIC if a producer's Grammy (as opposed to the album artist) makes him notable. — Brianhe (talk) 19:04, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Strong Keep~~Comment:-Subject of the article is a Grammy Award winning producer. He won the Grammy Award for Best New Age Album for the music album Love's River in the 56th Annual Grammy Awards. Producers are notable for the works they produces. He had produced several notable musical albums and songs such as Back to Forever and Love's River, that earn him the Grammy Award for Best New Age Album alongside with is wife, Laura Sullivan per Grammy Awards official website. The subject of the article was credited here for Back to Forever by AllMusic which make him to probably pass WP:COMPOSER#1. In addition to passing WP:NMUSIC, the subject of the article also meet WP:CREATIVE#3 which stipulated that a person is notable if the "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work". I think a producer of such notable work qualify under this criterion. He also meet WP:COMPOSER#Other criterion 5 which stipulated that a person is notable. If he "Has been a significant musical influence on a musician or composer that meet WP:COMPOSER. He is the manager. And producer of Laura Sullivan, award-winning songs [1], [2]. This influence should satisfied the aforementioned criterion. I think the above two "delete votes" is based on ~~WP:LEADER~~. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 01:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sounds like the above voter's relying heavily on the old standbys of The Criteria Mean What I Want Them To Mean and Notability Is What I Think Is Important. This guy is one of several "producers" listed in the album's article, so claiming that he had a unique and mighty contribution to it's a bit much. (And while we're at it? WP:LEADER? Is it that outrageous that people are voting their minds, and that their opinions differ from yours?) Nha Trang ^Allons! 17:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take it personal, I don't mean it as such. Apology to Wikimandia and APerson. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 17:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As my comment should indicate, I actually searched. Also, Wikicology, the search you linked to above at grammy.com is for Eric Clapton, not Eric Sullivan. I do see how he is listed as a producer for an album that won a Grammy, but I'm not quite sure if that means he and other people who contributed to it are also considered Grammy winners. If we can confirm that's the case, I'll gladly change my vote. —Мандичка^YO 😜 21:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Eric indeed won a Grammy and it can be seen here (although it has "eric+clapton" in the link - do not know why) under year 2013. Laura Sullivan (composer) won it as an artist, while Eric won it as a producer. It's pretty obvious and stated on the official Grammy website. --BiH (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Add to previous: "Since 1992 the award has been presented as Best New Age Album. Beginning in 2001, award recipients included the producers, engineers, and/or mixers associated with the nominated work in addition to the recording artists." This fact is referenced on Wikipedia in the second paragraph (last sentence) on this article. --BiH (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: failure of notability. SilverSurfingSerpant (talk) 01:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC) struck indef blocked sockpuppet vote. Kraxler (talk) 00:16, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep They've won a Grammy, that's notable enough in itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 02:00, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He won a Grammy as can be seen here. Passes WP:ANYBIO #1. I believe the Grammy is one of the most well-known awards and is considered significant enough under this guideline. Another mention is here. Kraxler (talk) 00:16, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, "won a grammy" is gilding the lily just a little bit. He produced an album which won "Best New Age Album". The album won the grammy, not the subject of this article. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 03:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC).[reply]

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