Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emsworth Cricket Club

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ged UK 12:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Emsworth Cricket Club

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Two articles covering an amateur cricket club and its grounds. Apparently very old, but I can't really find any reliable in depth coverage independent from the club's own website showing notability. Travelbird (talk) 12:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Valid reason as it took a long time to find any information regards to this amatuer cricket club, allthough with some indepth research at libraries and online libraries, I have been able to find many forms of reliable indepth coverage that you seek. If you follow this link to the British Newspaper Library you will find the valid source of information http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ Leegray21 (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Its a village cricket club - the local newspaper cuttings that decorate the article do not show the sort of substantial, coverage that is required to meet notability guidelines.Nigel Ish (talk) 19:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Amateur sports club which got some routine local coverage over the centuries. Does not satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWhy should a local cricket club not have it's own page on this website? Obviously a valid club and been established for a while. Nothing offensive or false on the page. All need to do is put in Emsworth Cricket Club into a search engine and information comes up. Why just because it is a small team and not major does it not deserve it's own page on here? It's like saying some individual people even though done something small cannot as not a major celebrity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.177.155 (talk) 08:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I've played for this cricket club in the past (for neutrality and privacy I won't mention who I am) and it is not a notable club per WP:CRIN, which states it must play in an ECB Premier League, which currently they play in Hampshire Cricket League County Division Four South, by my reckoning some way away from that level of recreational cricket. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - also support deletion of Cold harbour lawn, which too fails WP:CRIN in relation to the ground having no historical cricketing importance and having not held major cricket matches. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this page should be deleted, after all most local cricket clubs have history and is wikipedia not an encyclopedia of history aswell as other catergories/genres. The club does not state it plays ECB premier league and as such is not lying about being involved with any premier league in the ECB. County Division 4 as I have had a look online is an amateur league but surely still credible as a form of cricket. In regards to matches being played on the pitch Cold Harbour Lawn, could you not consider their first game as being an important match as its was against the original Hambledon Cricket Club and therefore one of the oldest clubs in the history of the game, I think if you've had a bad experience with any cricket or any club why be so damn petty and delete it from a factual source of information available freely online, if thats the case every amateur cricket club or sporting club on this site should be deleted for not having the required information that everyone is moaning about on here. At the end of the day the club has history which being 200 years is just as special as a article on a breed of dog or something similar. I'm just utterly amazed that some people just are so petty and for the sake of having an article on Wikipedia they are insisting that the club be lost to pages of history that are sadly being burnt by some people that make it their sole purpose to ruin things for others. I think if that the administrators that are dealing with this article deletion should use common sense in regards to this matter, and think what they are doing before completing what i think would be a total and utter petty matter. And I think as i said previously that people should not take to bemoaning if you've had a bad experience with this particular club, think about what you're doing and move on like any credible and proper player for instance in cricket would do when you're out...you're out so deal with it...again its just people being petty in a non important matter. 90.196.35.173 (talk) 22:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- notability not demonstrated in a reliable secondary source. N2e (talk) 03:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The original Hambledon Club ceased to exist after 1796. Precisely why it isn't notable, because it doesn't play in an ECB Premier League, in this case the Southern Premier Cricket League. County Division 4 is about as non-notable in cricketing terms as they come. CricketArchive doesn't even hold scorecards for the league. All amatuer cricket clubs or teams that don't meet WP:CRIN are deleted. The criteria is simple in English cricket terms: Historically notable, have played first-class, List A or Twenty20 or is in an ECB Premier League. If they're none of those, 9/10 times they're not notable. Who has said anything about having bad experiences with this club? I have played for it, but left of my own accord. Please keep it civil. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -as a completely impartial person, who has stumbled over this article, i think it would be a great shame if this page was deleted.

cricket is an integral part in british culture, in an age where our culture is being slowly diluted and eradicated.

it's amazing that an amatuer club that existed BEFORE the battle of waterloo, is still going strong. It's even more amazing that it doesn't warrent a place in an opensource encylopedia, just because they have not played at the top level. it's like saying this amazing piece of english history does not matter.

it's like finding a penny coin from hundreds of years back, and chucking it in the bin, because it had no real monetery value.

Emsworth Cricket Club is one of the oldest cricket clubs in the world, and this really is worth a mention. Especially on a website, where pointless people like say, Katie Price, who has never done anything special, except exposing her genitals, gets a mention.

please reconsider this. Emsworth Cricket Club is a gem of a club, and something that every englishman should be proud of. Clubs like Emsworth are an integrial part of our english village culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcster2 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Cricket is no part of my culture even though I'm half English. However, I would support the retention of this article if it were better referenced. I don't think 'Jordan' has actually exposed that part of her anatomy, although various other parts have achieved public fame. She has a very good PR man, and the both of them are probably doing quite well out of it. (Why, I don't know as I do not know anyone who gives a tuppenny damn about her or even fancies her.) If you can find enough coverage to show notability, there's a chance. Get digging. Peridon (talk) 21:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per AssociateAffiliate. This is an encyclopaedia not a vast resource for everything you can find in real life or on the internet. English cricket/village cricket may have historical merit; every village club ever to have played the game does not.—User:MDCollins (talk) 16:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep cricket club. Redirect ground to the club. Read the scans of old newspaper articles, they are reliable sources! . Delete.Szzuk (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment surely this isn't just about being an average club, but a club that has been around for 200 years, and was around when cricket was in it's infancy. that is what makes it special, and not just another village club.

English Cricket and Village cricket certainly does have it's merit, but without clubs such as emsworth cc starting up all those years ago, or should i say, 2 CENTURYS AGO, there would be no cricket/village cricket. This club really is a piece of living history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.76.162 (talk) 20:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This speicalness argument is getting lame. READ WP:CRIN. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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