Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emmanuel Vargas

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The result was delete. I take into account that there was some double !voting; the consensus is still that he does not pass WP:ATHLETE. JohnCD (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Vargas

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Non-notable footballer. Unreferenced BLP, no assertion or sources to show that this player has ever played at fully professional level. Therefore fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN King of the North East 19:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. King of the North East 19:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Try as I might, I can't find evidence he has taken the field at any of his 3 clubs he has been at. Fails ATHLETE. Also fails GNG as there only seems to be club profile and routine coverage passing mentions. None of the sites have any stats at all for him playing.--ClubOranje^T 08:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This article is completely unreferenced, and there's no evidence the subject is notable. A clear cut deletion in my opinion. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~Keep~~. If he played for Lota Schwager, he may pass WP:ATHLETE as I think the league they play in (Chile's second division) is fully professional (could someone confirm this?). ~~As far as I can tell however, he doesn't even appear on the club's website (click on the "Plantel" link at the bottom) - there are four goalies listed here but he ain't one of them.~~ Bettia (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He played 8 matches for Lota Schwager, and he doesn't play more for U de Chile, he signed for Deportes Copiapo: http://www.chileazul.cl/foro/index.php/topic,135056.0.html and the second division of Chile is totally professional: http://www.anfp.cl/campeonato_nacional.php this is the official page of the assosation football in Chile. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alechuncho (talk • contribs)

Request Could a Spanish speaker please (translate / provide a pointer to) the part that indicates the second division in Chile is fully professional as it doesn't seem to appear in this list--ClubOranje^T 00:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good question. According to Article 7 of the league regulations, every team in Primera B must have a minimum of 12 professional players. I wonder if that would be enough to make this league fully professional? I'll raise this over at WP:FPL. Bettia (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that info. This match report confirms he played for their first team in the quarter-finals of the Chilean Cup, although this page suggests he played 10 games for them, not 8. ~~Anyway, it appears he meets WP:ATHLETE and so I've changed my !vote to keep.~~ Bettia (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep according to the sources given he meets WP:Athlete Polargeo (talk) 14:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - why is deletion so often urged with such confident absence of knowledge?Opbeith (talk) 23:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Following this discussion, neither Primera A or Primera B in Chile are fully professional (only about half the players are professional), so I'm changing my !vote yet again as this player does not pass WP:ATHLETE. Bettia (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pcap ping 10:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reassert deletion per my delete comment above. Notwithstanding there is a site which shows he has appeared for one club, he does not demonstrably pass WP:ATHLETE as Primera B is semi professional and not a top level league, Chilean Cup is open to amateur and semi pro clubs, he has not played for the senior international side. Still fails WP:GNG as there is no in-depth independent coverage of him, only team-sheet mentions, regular sports coverage name inclusions and club profiles. The one reference provided that does discuss him is a blog/forum which fails any and all reliable source and notability criteria.--ClubOranje^T 12:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Absolutely no evidence of passing WP:ATH and clear failure of WP:GNG Spiderone 21:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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