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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Fiji Mission to the European Union; nothing to merge, this is substantially a duplicate of that page. Flowerparty☀ 00:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Fiji to Belgium

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fails WP:ORG, nothing particularly notable about this embassy. LibStar (talk) 13:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did read it, and where is the guideline that says all embassies are notable? Fails the significant coverage test. [1]. LibStar (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - And where is the guideline that says embassy articles are not notable? Also per [2], an embassy is defined as "An organization or group of officials who permanently represent a sovereign state in a second sovereign state or with respect to an international organization such as the United Nations." Nowhere does that mention it as a building, an embassy is a group of foreign ambassadors not some Non-notable office building. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never said it is not notable, certainly say the US Embassy in Moscow would be notable...but this one? LibStar (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. because you think high schools are notable therefore embassies are? all high schools are not notable. most high schools I've seen on wikipedia have been redirected. LibStar (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As stated below, the view of the wikipedia community is that high-schools are notable. I think it odd that the community can hold that view yet reject an embassy to a major country as NN. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 04:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As an aside, I think the default notability of high schools is absurd. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the community determined that most high schools are notable, a decision I hate and work against. Its middle/elementary schools that are usually redirected. In the case of embassies we can establish notability using primary sources, per WP:SELFPUB which allows one to use a self published source ie. the embassies website so long as it does not make any out of the ordinary claims. -Marcusmax(speak) 13:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for your comments. i'm not sure if embassy websites can establish notability, depends on the depth of information it contains. If it's just address, bio of ambassador, what's great about their own country, how to get a visa, then it's not useful for establishing notability as per WP:N. LibStar (talk) 13:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I think about you are starting to have a pretty good point, some embassies may not be notable just like some high schools are not notable. I guess this is another topic that needs discussing. -Marcusmax(speak) 13:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems a reasonable idea to me -- merge. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 17:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete. This is even worse than all of the bilateral relations articles; a country frequently has more embassies and consulates than there are other countries and this is heading for WP:IINFO and WP:NOTDIR. Stifle (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Just too far a stretch of notability/encyclopedic interest. Don;t see anything mergeable anywhere else. Dlohcierekim
  • Keep. If every census designated place, almost every major road, airport etc etc is notable and every sovereign state is notable, why aren't the diplomatic missions that represent them? That said, WP:RS are conspicuous by their absence- if none can be found, perhaps "Diplomatic missions of Fiji/ in Belgium" would eb the best place for it. HJMitchell You rang? 23:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not notable at all. No reliable secondary sources adress this in any detail. Hipocrite (talk) 04:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Those above have made quite some useful arguments to keep this, and I agree. An embassy between two nations is clearly notable. It is an officially recognized group or organization that is responsible for all interactions between two nations. What could be more notable than that? Dream Focus 11:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
then it should meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 14:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, WP:ORG has nothing to do with this, we need to determine how notable this is and go from there. --Marcusmax(speak) 15:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep a embassy between two nations is notable, but the possibility of merging should be considered--except that it's not all that obvious how to merge these. (embassies of Fiji, or embassies to Belgium)DGG (talk) 17:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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